Thanks Steve, they all love her, even though she is a showline, they tell me that they have never seen a showline female with the drive that she has. She learns very quickly and we always kid around that we swear she leans from watching the other dogs. She just sits quitly in her kennel and watches everything. We never formally taught her the blind search she just started doing it one day when we were out on the field I sent her in to the helper and she turned and ran around the far blind and then came in to the blind where the helper was and did the hold & bark. She is very smart, she learned how to open doors going in and out when she was only 4 months old, and she can open just about every kennel we put her in. We had a aluminum kennel made that has a key lock so she can't get out.
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I don't think any of them are knocking your dog when they say she doesnt have a lot of fight. A lot of dogs that title don't. Its more just a matter of fact statement. I've only been training in schutzhund for 3 or 4yrs or so, so I'm not some old time expert, but I've seen a good amount of dogs come out that wouldnt do what your girl is doing.
Trust your helpers and club members about how to add pressure and when and be careful about trying to change your dogs basic character. Go with what she brings and build on it the best you can so you both enjoy the whole thing.
Also, I don't feel like they are knocking her, I just wanted to know because of the trainers that have come, some being world renowed. Even they have not "knocked" her they just said that is something she is going to need to point higher.
Thanks again.
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Not all dogs have true 'fight drive'. Some have a very high intense prey drive that looks like they are really fighting the decoy & many will have defense drive (fight or flight type drive)if you want to call it a drive when worked in defense. Kinda like cornoring the dog & he has nowhere to go except to fight for survival. That is not 'fight drive' that is a dog in survival mode. Most dogs, even good SchH dogs, do not have the intensified confident drive that is true 'fight drive'. Fight drive is a true grit confidence that brings the fight to the decoy, doesn't do it as a response to the decoy's stick hits or decoys intensity. These dogs bring the fight & don't plan on loosing the battle with anyone, anytine, anywhere. They are in it to win it. Dogs are born with this...it is not trained or created. They either have it or they don't.
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Ok, I watched half the video, and can I give a valuable hint here?
Often, hearing the commands and such is very important for evaluating what's going on during dog training, so a loud musical background removes 50% of the value of a training video.
And I have a question - have they explained *exactly* what "fight drive" is to them?
By that I mean having the decoy and/or trainer explain what the drive that they think that your dog lacks might be illuminating - try and get them to go into as much detail as possible.
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Anne is correct here regarding "fight drive", it is either present or not in a canine, and I've found it to be comparatively rare in my many years of training.
I'm saying this because I would find it odd that a decoy or training director would be commenting on a dogs lack of "fight drive" in a SchH situation, it wouldn't make much difference in a sport dog, and I've found many SchH folks, even with many years of experience under their belt, to never have actually seen a dog with actual fight drive.
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