michael arghnian wrote 01/03/2011 07:33 PM Re: kibble question [Re: Aaron Myracle ] #309949 - 01/03/2011 07:33 PM
michael arghnian Webboard User Reg: 07-07-2010 Posts: 111 Loc: Offline	What would suggest as kibble .is that to high in protien or something ,I havend bought dog food in a while
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Aaron Myracle wrote 01/03/2011 08:00 PM Re: kibble question [Re: michael arghnian ] #309951 - 01/03/2011 08:00 PM
Aaron Myracle Webboard User Reg: 06-06-2008 Posts: 5062 Loc: WA, USA Offline	Seeing "chicken fat" appear in an ingredient list is always somewhat disconcerting, as is "natural chicken flavor". If you read the ingredient list, the food is comprised more of starch than meat. The first product is "Deboned chicken". When it's called "deboned chicken", that means it isn't really the first ingredient- once they removed the water, it ceased to be. The second ingredient is chicken meal, which means it truly is the second ingredient. It is followed by potato starch. Potatoes also appear elsewhere in the ingredient list, as does tomato pomace and peas. When companies start splitting their carb sources, I start getting really suspicious. Meats: chicken, chicken, turkey Starches: potato, potato, peas, tomato At best, you have 50/50 of meat and starch/carbs. And that's at best. In reality, the food is probably over half comprised of non-meat ingredients.
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michael arghnian wrote 01/03/2011 08:18 PM Re: kibble question [Re: Aaron Myracle ] #309957 - 01/03/2011 08:18 PM
michael arghnian Webboard User Reg: 07-07-2010 Posts: 111 Loc: Offline	I'm not sure if I can fined it but I see a lot of people like orign should I try that ,I'm just glad he isn't vomiting anymore and will eat the kibble. Only place around me is petsmart to buy dog food I could always order it online if I have to.
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James Biggs wrote 01/03/2011 08:19 PM Re: kibble question [Re: Aaron Myracle ] #309958 - 01/03/2011 08:19 PM
James Biggs Webboard User Reg: 10-12-2009 Posts: 54 Loc: Offline	you were feeding him cooked chicken and rice? there was no bones in it i hope and the rice is no good or necessary. i would put him on a straight raw diet for a couple days. start out with 90/10 hamburger and chicken breast with no skin. a little at the time. Get of the kibble straight away. then after a week or so, you can add an egg, and then maybe a yogurt/cottage cheese, and then some organs. you shouldnt have a problem doing it that way unless the dog is just getting sick because he is eating to fast. also might want to try to get him some large meaty bones, as that can help get the juices flowing and should help him start to digest. we had a puppy that threw up the raw food, started giving him pork neck bones so he would slow down and chew for a while, and the problem went away. see post # 310063 on page 5 Edited by Connie Sutherland (01/04/2011 11:56 AM) Edit reason: mod note
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James Biggs wrote 01/03/2011 08:19 PM Re: kibble question [Re: James Biggs ] #309959 - 01/03/2011 08:19 PM
James Biggs Webboard User Reg: 10-12-2009 Posts: 54 Loc: Offline	also if you really want to feed kibble, i recommend orijen. its expensive, but the best. you can order it online and have it in 2-3 days
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Aaron Myracle wrote 01/03/2011 08:28 PM Re: kibble question [Re: James Biggs ] #309962 - 01/03/2011 08:28 PM
Aaron Myracle Webboard User Reg: 06-06-2008 Posts: 5062 Loc: WA, USA Offline	The cooked chicken/rice combo was for the dog while he was sick. That's the standard diet for a dog on antibiotics. You can't feed a dog raw while they're on a course of antibiotics. 90% hamburger and 10% chicken breast is... way, WAY too muscle heavy. There's virtually no bone in that mix. I agree with Orijen being the best quality kibble on the market.
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Kelly wrote 01/03/2011 08:48 PM Re: kibble question [Re: Aaron Myracle ] #309967 - 01/03/2011 08:48 PM
Kelly Moderator Reg: 06-03-2005 Posts: 1495 Loc: Offline	Quote: Aaron Myracle You can't feed a dog raw while they're on a course of antibiotics. Ummm, I haven't heard this, Aaron. What is the theory behind this?
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Aaron Myracle wrote 01/03/2011 09:00 PM Re: kibble question [Re: Kelly ] #309971 - 01/03/2011 09:00 PM
Aaron Myracle Webboard User Reg: 06-06-2008 Posts: 5062 Loc: WA, USA Offline	You're nuking a lot of the good bacteria in the gut, and slowing down the digestive process. The antibiotics are stripping the dog of a natural processes that allow it to eat raw foods. I suspect this is one of those things along the lines of mixing kibble and raw- most people will get lucky and never run into an issue.
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Kelly wrote 01/03/2011 09:05 PM Re: kibble question [Re: Aaron Myracle ] #309973 - 01/03/2011 09:05 PM
Kelly Moderator Reg: 06-03-2005 Posts: 1495 Loc: Offline	I have always given the dogs probiotics and/or kefir when on anitbiotics and never noticed any problems with digestion. Good to know though, thanks. --Kel
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Aaron Myracle wrote 01/03/2011 09:08 PM Re: kibble question [Re: Kelly ] #309974 - 01/03/2011 09:08 PM
Aaron Myracle Webboard User Reg: 06-06-2008 Posts: 5062 Loc: WA, USA Offline	That's why I said I think it's one of those really rare things. Even when you slow down the digestion and kill off some of the good bacteria, you've still got to introduce a raw meal with bacteria on it for there to be an issue. Most of the time, that's not going to happen. Just like mixing kibble and raw. I'm generally skeptical about the ability of probiotics to replace the gut flora while the antibiotics are still being administered. They're certainly don't hurt though, and they're definitely a MUST as the treatment concludes.
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