Betty Landercasp wrote 01/21/2011 10:15 PM Re: Giardia testing methods [Re: phaedra rieff ] #312879 - 01/21/2011 10:15 PM
Betty Landercasp Webboard User Reg: 11-30-2009 Posts: 3724 Loc: minnesota Offline	It's just that to me, it seems if you can pretty easily treat Giardia, then you don't have to even think about it anymore. It is an old mindset, I suppose. I tend to think of medicine, most medicines, as "the good guy". Guess I've been brain washed by the drug salesmen, Panacur --- cures everything! Good grief! http://s922.photobucket.com/albums/ad67/Grasvaly/
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Connie Sutherland wrote 01/21/2011 10:16 PM Re: Giardia testing methods [Re: Betty Landercasp ] #312880 - 01/21/2011 10:16 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: betty landercasp Why not just treat for it if you suspect it? Then the problem is solved. Why spend money on diagnostic tests when you can spend the money on a fix? The medicine is not real toxic, and if you've treated for it you've ruled it out as a problem, if the problem is still there,then you have to look for something else to treat. Just a question... I totally see what you're saying. But one, while you treat for giardia, you are not treating for "whatever" else it might actually be. And it can be weeks, right? And two, "if you can pretty easily treat Giardia, then you don't have to even think about it anymore" isn't true. As you know, giardia can have recurring symptoms due to several reasons: resistant infection, reinfection, and post-Giardia lactose/lactase intolerance. So then what? You treated for it, so when symptoms recur, you look for something else? But what if it's resistant giardia?
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Connie Sutherland wrote 01/21/2011 10:19 PM Re: Giardia testing methods [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #312881 - 01/21/2011 10:19 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	And Betty, argue back! You actually know this stuff from experience. I do NOT. Maybe treating it is, in almost every case, the most efficient route.
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phaedra rieff wrote 01/21/2011 10:35 PM Re: Giardia testing methods [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #312883 - 01/21/2011 10:35 PM
phaedra rieff Webboard User Reg: 07-15-2010 Posts: 741 Loc: bc, canada Offline	They do the flotation and the pathologist looks manually. We send them the fecal sample. That is their "thing" and they have awesome microscopes with big screens. We use SNAP tests at the clinic for other things like FIV, Parvo and Feline Heartworm. Keep in mind those tests can in cases have a false positive.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 01/21/2011 10:51 PM Re: Giardia testing methods [Re: phaedra rieff ] #312884 - 01/21/2011 10:51 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Then you are collecting and sending the three-sample fecals? Yeah, that was slightly more accurate in the two studies I saved than the ELISA, and in the study that compared them, far more accurate than a one-sample fecal. (Regardless of microscope size, the protozoa are not passed in every stool. Now I'm going by memory, but I think it said 70% likely for one sample from a positive animal to contain the evidence but 95% likely for one of three consecutive samples to do so.) Of course, this is not what the maker of the giardia SNAP tests says. But they may be kinda right too, because the three-sample fecal apparently isn't superior unless (1) it IS three samples collected carefully over the right time spans and tested quickly, and (2) uses double centrifugation. (The research protocols and the results are hard plowing to read through. )
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phaedra rieff wrote 01/21/2011 11:06 PM Re: Giardia testing methods [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #312886 - 01/21/2011 11:06 PM
phaedra rieff Webboard User Reg: 07-15-2010 Posts: 741 Loc: bc, canada Offline	You know we might get them to do a snap test too, just because it's not worth it for us to stock them. I can check.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 01/21/2011 11:08 PM Re: Giardia testing methods [Re: phaedra rieff ] #312887 - 01/21/2011 11:08 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Yeah, I was looking at those tests! The kit alone was over $150, with no vet or tech hands even involved yet!!
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Dana Martin wrote 01/22/2011 04:17 AM Re: Giardia testing methods [Re: Betty Landercasp ] #312896 - 01/22/2011 04:17 AM
Dana Martin Webboard User Reg: 09-13-2010 Posts: 790 Loc: Bothell, WA Offline	Quote: betty landercasp It's just that to me, it seems if you can pretty easily treat Giardia, then you don't have to even think about it anymore. It is an old mindset, I suppose. I tend to think of medicine, most medicines, as "the good guy". Guess I've been brain washed by the drug salesmen, Panacur --- cures everything! Good grief! LOL!!!! Here Decoy, Decoy, Decoy!
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Ariane Gauthier wrote 01/22/2011 06:02 AM Re: Giardia testing methods [Re: Dana Martin ] #312900 - 01/22/2011 06:02 AM
Ariane Gauthier Webboard User Reg: 11-23-2010 Posts: 817 Loc: St-Lazare, Qc Offline	how interesting, when I got Harley we had the giardia loose poop going on, get to the vet and was lucky to have a holliday coming the next day. So it was 45$ for the test ELISA but you also need the basic worm teat from the lab extra 35$. They wanted to treat with Panacur for 5 days at 25$ per day. I had to wait for 4 days to get the poop to the lab so I call my old vet, and old school, she gave me the proper dosage for a dog and I got the Panacur from the tack shop for 45$ and was seeing improvement before I could send the poop for testing. My old vet recommended treating every 6 months due to my situation. (wood, racons, deer, beaver and other beast to catch and eat) Why test I would I like to know but problem got much better with treatment that was done before I could get the lab results! Lucifer!
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Mara Jessup wrote 01/22/2011 07:20 AM Re: Giardia testing methods [Re: Betty Landercasp ] #312901 - 01/22/2011 07:20 AM
Mara Jessup Webboard User Reg: 12-28-2005 Posts: 2316 Loc: Offline	Quote: betty landercasp It's just that to me, it seems if you can pretty easily treat Giardia, then you don't have to even think about it anymore. It is an old mindset, I suppose. I tend to think of medicine, most medicines, as "the good guy". Guess I've been brain washed by the drug salesmen, Panacur --- cures everything! Good grief! ^^ This is kind of my opinion too. Since can be harder to diagnose and you can has false negatives, then if the symptoms present, go ahead and treat it. I know of a gal who's dog had on again/off again diarrhea and the vet was running multiple tests with no answers. She finally told the vet that she really just wanted to try the panacur to see if it helped. Everything cleared right up after the panacur. K-9 Knitter
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