 Re: Conditioning Diet
[Re: Brad Higgs ]
#314402 - 02/01/2011 11:27 AM |
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It seems that "back in the day" (and I guess even today with dogs on kibble diets) we conditioned dogs for the show ring by increasing their protien and piling in the supplements (good ole "MirraCoat", fish oil, etc. for shiny coats.
But on a raw diet, they are already getting all of this - so I guess the answer is just more of the same good food and exersise?
I'm trying to learn how to condition my little dog as well (she is being shown in conformation). She is slim and willow-y compared to many of the MinPins out there (has been on meat & bones + supplements since 3 mo.old) but many of those dogs just look fat to me, not muscled. (and yet they are winning)
Any advice on a good 'weight to carry' to body weight ratio for a dog to carry for extra muscle usage while hiking?
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Re: Conditioning Diet
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#314404 - 02/01/2011 11:45 AM |
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I SLOWLY worked up to 15 - 20 lbs for my 110 lbs dogs. But I think that 10% is a safe number for most.
And don't judge me... I have them pack on up to an extra 10 pounds prior to a show, and immediately cut it back to a healthy weight within a month (most of it being water weight from heavy hydration a few days before). We have tried the show in a lean working weight, but we get passed over every time. I get tired of the "he looks sucked in" comments while the obese dog next to us get the nod. I won't let them get fat, and I still want to see every muscle defined, but a little extra weight to help fill them out does help at shows...
Jessica
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Re: Conditioning Diet
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#314442 - 02/01/2011 04:20 PM |
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Jessica, can you please talk to me more about these cavalletis? I've never seen them trained and only have seen them in experienced animals, aka dogs and horses, performing it for shows and demonstrations.
Also, I've seemed to have lost the link you sent me for those weight pulling harnesses,it is time to get some for my two and they are really too small to put any of those weighted vests and collars on them. Havoc is roughly 110 lbs now? Wow, both my girls combined are that size.
Also, as we have seen this topic in regards to show weight, can someone explain this heavy hydration concept? Is it just loading up water in the food or is it beyond this way of thinking? Thanks in advance.
-Lamarr
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Re: Conditioning Diet
[Re: Lamarr Couttien ]
#314461 - 02/01/2011 06:29 PM |
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Hey Lamarr!
The concept for the cavalettis is the same for dogs and horses, just with obviously different heights! Using a taller cavaletti, the dog (or horse) must really push and thrust over each jump. Here are a few videos: Small Dog, Low Rise , Larger Dog, Higher Rise & Horse Cavaletti . You can really see how each dog(or horse) really lifts and pushes. It will never build super heavy mass, but a lean, supple strength that lends to athleticism. Coordination and confidence are some other bonuses. They are pretty common with the conformation crowd to teach a lengthening of stride and correct a weak or pacing gait, and with the agility crowd for teaching limb awareness, distance and stride.
Here is an article that goes into the distances and how to get started, and is geared towards conformation...
And as for the weight pull harness, I get mine from Brown Dog Design and they have all come out great!!
Jessica
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Re: Conditioning Diet
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#314549 - 02/02/2011 01:56 AM |
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Thanks again Jessica, you just answered my next questions! It is a shame fatter looking dogs seems to get put up in the show ring and if you show a ripped healthy looking dog you get passed over. I don't really care about showing but my little fat man doesn't do obedience well, all my fault i admit, and he really isn't very energetic for other things so at least it's something we can do together and he seems to enjoy because he gets food!
Here's him going around on the weekend
http://s891.photobucket.com/albums/ac113/toady_2010/?action=view¤t=P1000715.mp4
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Re: Conditioning Diet
[Re: Brad Higgs ]
#314559 - 02/02/2011 07:15 AM |
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Wasn't he well behaved with his cheerful wagging tail and standing so still for the judge!
Did the judge pick the sable and white one?
Your dog may look thinner than he is because he is black, why we ladies sometimes wear black pants.....
He looks terrific!
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Re: Conditioning Diet
[Re: Lamarr Couttien ]
#314620 - 02/02/2011 03:31 PM |
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Also, as we have seen this topic in regards to show weight, can someone explain this heavy hydration concept? Is it just loading up water in the food or is it beyond this way of thinking? Thanks in advance.
-Lamarr
Very simply I spend a few days prior to show encouraging my dogs to drink water both through diet and through water baiting if need be. I find the end result at least with my little weasels is noticeably better muscle tone and being more apt to maintain it through travel and stress. A few fluid ounces tends to make a big difference on the appearance of a 6lb dog.
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Re: Conditioning Diet
[Re: Melissa Thom ]
#314689 - 02/02/2011 08:09 PM |
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What kind of dog are you talking about Melissa?
That is a good tip - I will try it with my 6.5 lb. MinPin!
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Re: Conditioning Diet
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#314780 - 02/03/2011 01:10 AM |
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Wasn't he well behaved with his cheerful wagging tail and standing so still for the judge!
Did the judge pick the sable and white one?
Your dog may look thinner than he is because he is black, why we ladies sometimes wear black pants.....
He looks terrific!
Thankyou Betty, the judge did pick the other one that weekend he beats Hank sometimes and occasionally Hank beats him. One judge did say it's very hard to get a good idea of him because of the black. Thanks again for your nice comments!
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Re: Conditioning Diet
[Re: Brad Higgs ]
#320207 - 03/04/2011 08:11 PM |
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Just wanted to thank everyone again for their advice, it was the show last night and he looked great he's bulked up and leaned out a little and he came runner up best of breed to a grand champion so was very happy with him!!
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