Ross Rapoport wrote 03/03/2011 09:55 AM Re: Bizarre Food Behavior [Re: Lauren Jeffery ] #319828 - 03/03/2011 09:55 AM
Ross Rapoport Webboard User Reg: 07-24-2010 Posts: 421 Loc: Offline	Quote: lauren jeffery Is there a possibility the release command has become confused? Do you have him wait after you put his food down as a way to reinforce his "stay"? Have you had to correct him for not complying, even by something like bringing him back to the same spot and making him do it again? It sounds like there is confusion here and possibly a little stress. I did change the release command about 3 months ago. I used to tell him "Leave it," then when I said "good" he would release and eat. However, since I wanted to be able to praise him without releasing him, I changed the release word to "OK" which is what I use for releasing him from other holds, like "Wait" before we go through a door. The switch only took about 2-3 repetitions. Yes, I have him wait after putting the food down, and always have. "Leave it" was one of the first 3 commands he learned and I have been doing this ever since we brought him him. And no, I really don't have to correct him. I don't even have to use the "Leave it" command anymore, he just does it himself. I didn't think he could be confused over a simple thing that we do at least 3x/day, but anything is possible! @Wendy I am with you, I definitely don't want to have to touch the bowl at all.
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Michael_Wise wrote 03/03/2011 10:15 AM Re: Bizarre Food Behavior [Re: Ross Rapoport ] #319831 - 03/03/2011 10:15 AM
Michael_Wise Webboard User Reg: 07-10-2006 Posts: 4454 Loc: Arkansas Offline	I would put the food down, give your release command, and walk away. Give him 15, 20, 30 minutes. Whatever you want doesn't matter. If he doesn't eat, take up the food and try again next meal. Sounds like the development of some weird neurotic behavior, and I would be hesitant to play into it or put too much thought into it. Keep it simple. I don't think be is "asking" for anything. Good luck!:smile:
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Lauren Jeffery wrote 03/03/2011 10:22 AM Re: Bizarre Food Behavior [Re: Ross Rapoport ] #319835 - 03/03/2011 10:22 AM
Lauren Jeffery Webboard User Reg: 01-16-2010 Posts: 1389 Loc: Offline	It sounds like he is confused. When it comes to meal time I know my dog has her routines down. She goes right to this one specific corner and lays down. I taught her to do that so she wouldn't be following me around the kitchen. She sometimes lays down there right after she eats because she wants more. One time there were people standing in the spot, and she began pacing back and forth anxiously, like "Oh no! Now its NEVER going to happen!" The change of events was confusing to her. I agree that switching from "good" is a good idea, especially as a release from "leave it". But he might need more repitition to understand the new release. My guess is that what you saw as him understanding the new release was just the beginings of him getting it, or he was reading your body language and it had nothing to do with the release word.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 03/03/2011 10:29 AM Re: Bizarre Food Behavior [Re: Lauren Jeffery ] #319838 - 03/03/2011 10:29 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Ross, as mentioned, I would release and WALK AWAY. It sounds like you are standing there, over the food, as if it's still your food.
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Wendy Lefebvre wrote 03/03/2011 10:38 AM Re: Bizarre Food Behavior [Re: Lauren Jeffery ] #319839 - 03/03/2011 10:38 AM
Wendy Lefebvre Webboard User Reg: 12-08-2005 Posts: 1271 Loc: Stoney Creek , Ontario, Canada Offline	Im gonna agree with Lauren, sounds like he's not understanding that "ok" is the same as "good" and was more than likely releasing the other times because of body language or he was anticipating that you were going to say "good" so even though he may have released a few times with no problems it doesn't mean he's made the transition wholely (spelt wrong) especially since he's not complying now and your seeing him questioning the "ok" command. Don't complain....TRAIN!!!
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Ross Rapoport wrote 03/03/2011 12:17 PM Re: Bizarre Food Behavior [Re: Wendy Lefebvre ] #319867 - 03/03/2011 12:17 PM
Ross Rapoport Webboard User Reg: 07-24-2010 Posts: 421 Loc: Offline	Quote: wendy lefebvre so even though he may have released a few times with no problems it doesn't mean he's made the transition wholely (spelt wrong) especially since he's not complying now and your seeing him questioning the "ok" command. lol, poor guy...now he's not even responding to "good" either! Michael, Connie--will try walking away and see what happens. I never needed to do that before, but maybe he's growing into a new sense of boundaries where food is concerned. Anything's possible. He has always been highly 'mature' on the food front, even before he came to us. He was the only puppy who would sit by the food bowls in the whelping box, whereas the other puppies would try to rush whoever was bringing it. So he'd be the first to eat. And though he will steal things off the counters, he never messes with his kibble bag, even though it sits unsecured in the corner of our living room. He also doesn't mind being touched or anything while he eats. If you need to open the refrigerator or dishwasher, he'll just politely move over, not even bothering to pick his head up out of the bowl. He's almost due for food time, so we'll see how it goes. I'm going to just walk away after saying "OK!"
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Wendy Lefebvre wrote 03/03/2011 12:27 PM Re: Bizarre Food Behavior [Re: Ross Rapoport ] #319868 - 03/03/2011 12:27 PM
Wendy Lefebvre Webboard User Reg: 12-08-2005 Posts: 1271 Loc: Stoney Creek , Ontario, Canada Offline	try to work on the "ok" release in other situations too. so that the he will start to understand that "ok" is his release. Don't complain....TRAIN!!!
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Ross Rapoport wrote 03/03/2011 01:02 PM Re: Bizarre Food Behavior [Re: Wendy Lefebvre ] #319881 - 03/03/2011 01:02 PM
Ross Rapoport Webboard User Reg: 07-24-2010 Posts: 421 Loc: Offline	We do it every time we go through a door. We have to go through the apartment door, then the door to the stairwell, then the door to the outside. And then repeat on the way in. So each trip to go potty consists of at least 4 repetitions of "Wait--OK!" (4 instead of 6, because two of the doors are ones that he can easily push open himself on the way outside, so we work on the "open the door" command for those). How else can I work it in?
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Tanith Wheeler wrote 03/03/2011 01:26 PM Re: Bizarre Food Behavior [Re: Ross Rapoport ] #319884 - 03/03/2011 01:26 PM
Tanith Wheeler Webboard User Reg: 11-04-2008 Posts: 572 Loc: Hampshire, England Offline	Storm used to do the same if I told him to wait for too long before letting him get his ball. i would have to tap him with my foot, to get him to break the wait. I think it's when you have a dog very intent on something, it is too focussed to hear the word. I would just get him to wait for a shorter period of time and work on building him up
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Betty Landercasp wrote 03/03/2011 01:53 PM Re: Bizarre Food Behavior [Re: Tanith Wheeler ] #319894 - 03/03/2011 01:53 PM
Betty Landercasp Webboard User Reg: 11-30-2009 Posts: 3724 Loc: minnesota Offline	It sounds like he is behaving like a dog on point, they start to get off on the anticipation. Trance like. Maybe you should feed him twice a day, he must be old enough for that now, and just feed him, without any rules for awhile. http://s922.photobucket.com/albums/ad67/Grasvaly/
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