Kristel Smart Webboard User Reg: 10-03-2006
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Quote: linda west
I just went to Michael Ellis seminar and he said that some dogs can't help it and it can't be fixed. Good luck!
In my experience, the Dobes with whining issues HAVE been fixed. I would try long and hard to fix the problem before I threw up my hands and gave up, and I wouldn't be thinking "some can't be fixed" while I was doing it.
If it's a super persistent problem I would look at the "why" for the solution instead of the "what".
For example: If the dog is whining because it's excited, I would do everything I could to make it less exciting.
I think if you approach a problem with the idea that it's hopeless, you make it so.
I did not mean to say just to give up. Michael of course only needed to look at the dog and knew immediately why it was happening and if it could be fixed or not... skill I do not claim to possess in real life never mind judging only from a post on the forum. It was mean to be a comment, that's all.
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I know there was no harm intended, but I didn't want the OP to read your post (or somebody later on down the road), then think their situation was hopeless and give up on their dog.
I just wanted to emphasize that the vast majority of unwanted behaviours are fixable with training and patience.
Thank you so much to all of you who replied. You've given me some new ideas that I will definitely be trying. I have a lot of respect for Michael Ellis (I have several of his DVDs), and I wish I lived closer to his school so I could consider attending. I'm sure he's right that there are some dogs that can't be cured of this problem. I'm just hoping mine isn't one of them.
I am nowhere near ready to give up. This dog is not quite three years old yet, has competed successfully in rally, and I'm really getting the itch to move up to obedience level competition, but I realize it may take a little more time and a lot more patience with him. Over the next few weeks, I'll try out some of the different suggestions you guys gave me and see what seems to work best.
Hopefully, I can report back in a couple of months that we are making progress! Thanks again, all.
Cheri, there was a book that Cindy recommended in a newsletter about a year ago to an owner with the same issue. I can't remember the title but I am hoping someone else will? I will try to look and see if I can find it.
Melissa Thom Webboard User Reg: 12-04-2007
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It's going to sound odd but my dog Misty had an excited down stay that I fixed by extending it. Basically I used the downstay to let her go through the throws of excitement/protest whatever you wanted to call it until it became silent/boredom to sleep.
Once I got that giant yawn, averted bored gaze, and the head going down to resting on paws I marked when the moment looked right and I noticed over time it got shorter and shorter to reach the relaxed downstay I wanted. Otherwise I ignored the yip barking, the whining, and corrected when the down stay was broken.
I will say this took time. Get a lawn chair or a bench in a park.
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Quote: Melissa Thom
It's going to sound odd but my dog Misty had an excited down stay that I fixed by extending it. Basically I used the downstay to let her go through the throws of excitement/protest whatever you wanted to call it until it became silent/boredom to sleep.
Once I got that giant yawn, averted bored gaze, and the head going down to resting on paws I marked when the moment looked right and I noticed over time it got shorter and shorter to reach the relaxed downstay I wanted. Otherwise I ignored the yip barking, the whining, and corrected when the down stay was broken.
I will say this took time. Get a lawn chair or a bench in a park.
That giant yawn is sometimes a stress sign in a dog, but probably more often the same thing that it is for us --- especially with relaxing head on paws.
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