Barbara Schuler wrote 03/14/2011 07:04 PM Re: Unsupervised kids and JRT [Re: Ellen Dondero ] #321908 - 03/14/2011 07:04 PM
Barbara Schuler Webboard User Reg: 01-15-2009 Posts: 5090 Loc: Lanexa Virginia Offline	How about having a ziplock bag filled with treats next to the door, and the next time you see them, go out and show them how to call their dog to them and get her to sit? You might just win over a couple of kids. Talking to parents is fine and good if you have any idea they are the type which will care, but from what you say, these kids might be modeling behavior they've learned at home. They might not know how to relate to a dog any other way. Instead of going about this with a "get your dog off my property" (since these are pretty young kids) you might actually be able to befriend them and teach them something... and help their dog. If not, you always can talk the folks and call animal control if the kids don't respond.
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Dana Martin wrote 03/14/2011 07:06 PM Re: Unsupervised kids and JRT [Re: Ellen Dondero ] #321909 - 03/14/2011 07:06 PM
Dana Martin Webboard User Reg: 09-13-2010 Posts: 790 Loc: Bothell, WA Offline	What a horrible thing to see. I hope you're able to kick, er, talk some sense in to both the kids and the parents. If not, I hope this little pup "disappears"... Here Decoy, Decoy, Decoy!
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Lynne Peck wrote 03/14/2011 07:13 PM Re: Unsupervised kids and JRT [Re: Dana Martin ] #321910 - 03/14/2011 07:13 PM
Lynne Peck Webboard User Reg: 12-21-2010 Posts: 150 Loc: Arizona Offline	too bad I don't live close, Ellen, I'm real good at the disappearing dog act! Is your camera a video one so you can show the kid zapping the dog on the end of the retractable? Talking with them might work if you have the will or want to teach other people's children. I have spoken with my neighbor's kids and they're actually good kids, it's the mother that's the loser - 4 kids, 4 different fathers, blah blah. So they're not an issue with me. A couple videos of it happening shown to the AC officers should bring shome recourse.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 03/14/2011 07:14 PM Re: Unsupervised kids and JRT [Re: Lynne Peck ] #321911 - 03/14/2011 07:14 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	"Is your camera a video one so you can show the kid zapping the dog on the end of the retractable? " 'Zackly.
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randy allen wrote 03/14/2011 07:26 PM Re: Unsupervised kids and JRT [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #321913 - 03/14/2011 07:26 PM
randy allen Webboard User Reg: 08-30-2007 Posts: 3283 Loc: Offline	People skills are not my forte. The dog would probably escape sometime in the near future living next door to me.
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Barbara Schuler wrote 03/14/2011 07:41 PM Re: Unsupervised kids and JRT [Re: Lynne Peck ] #321917 - 03/14/2011 07:41 PM
Barbara Schuler Webboard User Reg: 01-15-2009 Posts: 5090 Loc: Lanexa Virginia Offline	I am in no way advocating turning a back on a dog being misused, but am kind of surprised at the number of posts lately dealing with dogs "disappearing" without involving legal authorities. Especially when there is supposedly a good relationship with the police. ?? In my mind, this technique works well as long as someone doesn't take offense to the way we do something and chose to handle it on their own terms. I'm not playing pollyanna; I fully realize there are crappy families who have no business owning animals of any kind. It just seems to me that spending a few minutes trying to determine if the kids are open to learning how to train their pup certainly takes less time and effort than plannong/executing taking the dog and finding it a new home. In addition, when we "help dogs disappear" there is no record on file of the individuals not being fit owners, so they can just go out and get another dog, and another, etc..
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Kelly Byrd wrote 03/14/2011 08:02 PM Re: Unsupervised kids and JRT [Re: Barbara Schuler ] #321926 - 03/14/2011 08:02 PM
Kelly Byrd Webboard User Reg: 07-28-2010 Posts: 2249 Loc: Tacoma, WA Offline	I'm with Barbara. For lack of well spoken works like hers.
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Lauren Jeffery wrote 03/14/2011 08:26 PM Re: Unsupervised kids and JRT [Re: Kelly Byrd ] #321929 - 03/14/2011 08:26 PM
Lauren Jeffery Webboard User Reg: 01-16-2010 Posts: 1389 Loc: Offline	They could be modeling behavior as Barbara suggests, or it could just be that they are acting like dumb boys. I remember my brother doing stuff like that, picking on the cat. One time he and a friend decided to take down a beehive with a baseball bat. He grew up to be totaly normal. Boys that age often do dumb stuff just to find out what will happen. I think your idea is a good one Barbara. Kids like being taught stuff. Maybe you can even show them some marker training so they can teach the dog tricks. I would still rat them out, though. If they did what they are doing with the wrong dog they could get hurt. The parents should know.
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Barbara Schuler wrote 03/14/2011 08:32 PM Re: Unsupervised kids and JRT [Re: Lauren Jeffery ] #321930 - 03/14/2011 08:32 PM
Barbara Schuler Webboard User Reg: 01-15-2009 Posts: 5090 Loc: Lanexa Virginia Offline	Quote: Lauren Jeffery One time he and a friend decided to take down a beehive with a baseball bat. Did the bee's teach the boys to not try this one again?
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Michael_Wise wrote 03/14/2011 08:51 PM Re: Unsupervised kids and JRT [Re: Barbara Schuler ] #321938 - 03/14/2011 08:51 PM
Michael_Wise Webboard User Reg: 07-10-2006 Posts: 4454 Loc: Arkansas Offline	Quote: barbara schuler I am in no way advocating turning a back on a dog being misused, but am kind of surprised at the number of posts lately dealing with dogs "disappearing" without involving legal authorities. Especially when there is supposedly a good relationship with the police. ?? In my mind, this technique works well as long as someone doesn't take offense to the way we do something and chose to handle it on their own terms. Yeah. Of all the bad training, health, and nutrition advice that gets squelched around here, I'm surprised it is going around so much lately, too. When people refuse to use the most logical, common sense resources first to resolve a problem, I have to wonder the true nature of the situation. Geez! What if someone saw me correct Turbo and thought I was abusing him because THEY think I corrected him too hard? Then they come steal him from me? **** that! Edited by Michael_Wise (03/14/2011 09:04 PM) Edit reason: Ellen, I'm not implying that the above is happening here. I do not doubt at all what you are seeing happen in your neighborhood with this dog.
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