 Re: Prong Collar Help
[Re: Ana Kozlowsky ]
#326211 - 04/07/2011 10:58 PM |
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Well, maybe I correct my dog too hard. However, I have had a few pro trainers tell me I dont go anywhere near hard enough in certain situations. So I'm not sure.
Also, you have to keep in mind that ALL of my experience training is pet focused. Three dogs of my own, and six dogs that belong to other people. In pet dog training there isnt really a lot of talk about leash pressure work. Not saying that I'm some great trainer, I wouldnt even call myself a trainer at all.
I'm just saying that in pet training its still more of an old fashioned way of thinking that you correct at a level that works to stop an undesirable behavior. If you normaly correct at one level with a medium prong, and then you apply the same level of correction with a small one, your dog might tweak out.
So would you start over completely if you were changing sizes? I'm genuinely interested to know the answer.
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Re: Prong Collar Help
[Re: Lauren Jeffery ]
#326217 - 04/07/2011 11:11 PM |
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Leash pressure has nothing to do with corrections. It is used to make the dog move in the direction you want. Whenever somebody puts a collar and a leash on the dog they are using leash pressure.
The conditioning starts with teaching the dog move with the leash using markers. It makes the dog more sensitive to the pressure on the neck and more responsive to collar corrections.
If you want to sensitize the dog to the prong it would be better to go through the conditioning phase again.
If you only go to a smaller size and keep popping them full strength the dog gets used to this just as they got used to the larger size.
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Re: Prong Collar Help
[Re: Ana Kozlowsky ]
#326218 - 04/07/2011 11:20 PM |
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Okay, I'll be the first, and perhaps the only one to say it.
With all the information and discussion on how to properly fit a prong and how to never abuse a prong (or any collar, etc..), at what age to introduce one, and the dogs who can be reactive, etc.. I don't remember ever having a discussion on how to introduce the prong.
Is it just me? (Would not be the first time...)
Thanks Ana. 
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Re: Prong Collar Help
[Re: Barbara Schuler ]
#326223 - 04/07/2011 11:36 PM |
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Not just you Barbara!
I think Ana is coming at it from a totally different point of view, being leash pressure work for a sport dog, or a owner who wants a particularly responsive, light dog.
I think the OP is just wanting the power steering we all love so much while out on a walk with her dog.
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Re: Prong Collar Help
[Re: Barbara Schuler ]
#326224 - 04/07/2011 11:41 PM |
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Barbara, you dont remember having a discussion on this because its info that just came out a few months ago.
Im not saying that the method is wrong, but for a pet dog owner it seems like a lot of work when all you are looking for is a dog who doesn't drag you down the street.
Maybe the OP is planning on competition. Im sure it would be very helpful in that case.
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Re: Prong Collar Help
[Re: Lauren Jeffery ]
#326226 - 04/07/2011 11:47 PM |
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Switching to a smaller prong seems like a very good time to introduce leash pressure work on an older dog that didn't get it earlier on.
Introducing it on a trained dog can be difficult, because they don't understand the language and already have an impression of what the leash means.
The smaller prong would be a novel enough sensation that you could introduce it.
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Re: Prong Collar Help
[Re: Aaron Myracle ]
#326231 - 04/08/2011 12:01 AM |
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The smaller prong would be a novel enough sensation that you could introduce it.
Poor Tasha thought it was novel enough to hit the deck! I felt so bad. I stopped using it within a month, even though I quickly adjusted to lighter pressure. Mostly because she grew out of the in between sizes phase.
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Re: Prong Collar Help
[Re: Lauren Jeffery ]
#326233 - 04/08/2011 12:08 AM |
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Barbara, you dont remember having a discussion on this because its info that just came out a few months ago.
Im not saying that the method is wrong, but for a pet dog owner it seems like a lot of work when all you are looking for is a dog who doesn't drag you down the street.
Well it is good to know I haven't slept through "Prong Collars - 101".
With that said, it is probably a good discussion to have now and then... that even for the homeowner who doesn't want to get dragged down the street, there might be a better vs worse way to introduce the prong collar. I honestly have not given it much thought other than to make sure it fit correctly and then learning that Falcon was one of those guys who is more reactive when he is wearing it. Could this have been due to the fact that I didn't do anything except make sure it fit correctly?
Honest question.
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Re: Prong Collar Help
[Re: Barbara Schuler ]
#326235 - 04/08/2011 12:16 AM |
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Maybe so.
I really wish I didnt need a prong for walks anymore, its a great tool for some things, but my dog is also way more reactive when wearing it. Even more so with a small prong.
If it werent for all those damn cats around here I wouldn't have any problems in life. We would walking on a buckle without a doubt.
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Re: Prong Collar Help
[Re: Lauren Jeffery ]
#326236 - 04/08/2011 12:25 AM |
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If it werent for all those damn cats around here I wouldn't have any problems in life. We would walking on a buckle without a doubt.
Can't you just hear all the cats in the background singing..."nobody knows the trouble I've seen...Sometimes I'm up, sometimes I'm in the jaws of a maniac dog..." or something along those lines...
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