Lauren Jeffery wrote 04/08/2011 07:02 PM Re: Corrections [Re: Barbara Schuler ] #326385 - 04/08/2011 07:02 PM
Lauren Jeffery Webboard User Reg: 01-16-2010 Posts: 1389 Loc: Offline	She is two.
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Rob Abel wrote 04/08/2011 07:06 PM Re: Corrections [Re: Lauren Jeffery ] #326386 - 04/08/2011 07:06 PM
Rob Abel Webboard User Reg: 04-16-2010 Posts: 498 Loc: Southwestern USA Offline	Quote: Lauren Jeffery She is two. Two in dog years.... well if this helps, my 20 year old son's dirty clothes are currently the floor covering in his room. He KNOWS how to wash his clothes... Where is his prong collar????? A dog has alot of friends because he wags his tail instead of his mouth. - Charlie Daniels
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Lauren Jeffery wrote 04/08/2011 07:08 PM Re: Corrections [Re: Barbara Schuler ] #326387 - 04/08/2011 07:08 PM
Lauren Jeffery Webboard User Reg: 01-16-2010 Posts: 1389 Loc: Offline	Thanks Rob. She is a good dog. That is our "private" training area. Otherwise known as the MDC street hockey court. Nobody ever uses it for anything, and its a huge area with a solid wall around it, great for transitioning new stuff to outside. She can hear and smell things but not see them. Perfect for introducing mild distractions. Plus, it has a big "NO DOGS" sign on the front of it. Where ever they put up those signs, thats where me and Tasha hang out.
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Barbara Schuler wrote 04/08/2011 07:09 PM Re: Corrections [Re: Rob Abel ] #326388 - 04/08/2011 07:09 PM
Barbara Schuler Webboard User Reg: 01-15-2009 Posts: 5090 Loc: Lanexa Virginia Offline	At 20 years old on a behavior you KNOW he knows, I'd go to the ecollar. Why nag the boy?
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Mara Jessup wrote 04/08/2011 07:11 PM Re: Corrections [Re: Lauren Jeffery ] #326389 - 04/08/2011 07:11 PM
Mara Jessup Webboard User Reg: 12-28-2005 Posts: 2316 Loc: Offline	Quote: Lauren Jeffery Thanks guys. This clears a lot up for me. Rob, bird dog training is cool. I attempted to do some whistle training with my dog a while back and failed miserably. Right now I am taking my dog back through almost everything, and I have noticed that while some things are definitely getting better, there are other areas that I have lost reliability. Simple commands that I am one hudred and twenty percent certain she knows. Things like sitting when we approach a curb on a walk, that is something she has done since she was a puppy, and now she is slow to do it or doesnt do it at all. I'm just being patient, not worried in the least about it. I just think its weird to see drastic improvement in some areas and have a backslide in others. Is there any chnce you have been a bit lax in those areas that she is backsliding in? Kips is a bit opportunistic and a quick learner. I find that I tend to focus on one thing til we have it really good, then I tend to relax my standards a bit on it. The result is that Kipp also gets more relaxed about it. I think it's easy as trainers to figure that we've got something down pat and that we don't need to be as consistant about it (not saying that is what you're doing, just something I've noticed in general) because the dog is so good at it. But then as we relax the dog realizes the standards have changed so the behavior does as well. K-9 Knitter
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Rob Abel wrote 04/08/2011 07:17 PM Re: Corrections [Re: Mara Jessup ] #326391 - 04/08/2011 07:17 PM
Rob Abel Webboard User Reg: 04-16-2010 Posts: 498 Loc: Southwestern USA Offline	Quote: Barbara Schuler At 20 years old on a behavior you KNOW he knows, I'd go to the ecollar. Why nag the boy? I hear ya. I blame...  Quote: Mara Jessup .. as we relax the dog realizes the standards have changed so the behavior does as well. Humans, dogs...consistency is necessary with both. Being a pack leader is hard work!! A dog has alot of friends because he wags his tail instead of his mouth. - Charlie Daniels
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Lauren Jeffery wrote 04/08/2011 07:17 PM Re: Corrections [Re: Mara Jessup ] #326392 - 04/08/2011 07:17 PM
Lauren Jeffery Webboard User Reg: 01-16-2010 Posts: 1389 Loc: Offline	I'm pretty sure she might be ignoring me in regards to the sitting at the curb situation. It is possible that putting focus on other things has caused a shift, though. I can see what you mean. She absolutely can be a little independent, so its hard to tell sometimes.
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Rob Abel wrote 04/08/2011 07:19 PM Re: Corrections [Re: Lauren Jeffery ] #326394 - 04/08/2011 07:19 PM
Rob Abel Webboard User Reg: 04-16-2010 Posts: 498 Loc: Southwestern USA Offline	Quote: Lauren Jeffery She absolutely can be a little independent, so its hard to tell sometimes. I like that in all my girls A dog has alot of friends because he wags his tail instead of his mouth. - Charlie Daniels
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CJ Barrett wrote 04/09/2011 12:44 AM Re: Corrections [Re: Rob Abel ] #326432 - 04/09/2011 12:44 AM
CJ Barrett Webboard User Reg: 04-19-2009 Posts: 1797 Loc: Offline	Quote: Rob Abel That's probably the main reason the e-collar is illegal in some countries (e.g., Canada) Ahhh Rob … not sure where you’re getting this from but your example is incorrect. Are you able to link me to an area that’s been banned? I may have missed something but as far as I know, the e-collar business is thriving in all 10 provinces and 3 territories. And just a few thoughts on corrections - my moment to moment thought process is “never”. It’s hard to discuss the topic because I generally don’t “think” about them. I strive to train to a continually advancing level of understanding under appropriate circumstances. Having 3 dogs (well, 4 at the moment) all at various stages in development and training, I can’t say that I have a set standard of corrections (or rewards for that matter) for any one of them. I’m prepared and react as needed, in the moment, with the animal I’m dealing with. Compassion, consistency and leadership to a pack of the most cherished creatures in my life, is behind every correction and reward that I apply.
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Rob Abel wrote 04/09/2011 09:38 AM Re: Corrections [Re: CJ Barrett ] #326441 - 04/09/2011 09:38 AM
Rob Abel Webboard User Reg: 04-16-2010 Posts: 498 Loc: Southwestern USA Offline	Yep, looks like I'm mistaken. Dogtra now ships to Canada anyway. The source I was referring to was a hunting forum in which a trainer wanted a citizen from the US to send her a collar which she said was illegal in her province. Maybe it was a old post - I didn't think so, though. In fact, Dogtra does ship to Canada:  Quote: DogtraStore.com will now ship to US, Canada, Australia, and Asia. If you would like to ship to another country, please e-mail us at sales@dogtrastore.com and provide us your shipping address as well as the items that you are interested. We would be glad to provide a shipping quote for you. Edit - apparently they are still banned in England  Quote: The recent high court decision upholding the ban on electronic training collars for domestic animals raises the interesting and topical issue of animal welfare and its role in EU law. source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2010/nov/23/human-rights-eu Illegal in Australia apparently too in 2009 anyway  Quote: Is the use of electronic dog collars legal? Last updated: 22 Sep, 2009 ACT No Animal Welfare Act NSW No Section 16 of the Act, Section 13 and Schedule 1 of the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (General) Regulation 1996 and Schedule 1 make the use of electric dog collars illegal. One exception to this rule is electric collars associated with canine invisible boundaries. These are not illegal provided the canine invisible boundary is used to confine dogs, but only used inside a fence through which dogs cannot pass and that is not less than 1.5 metres high. source http://kb.rspca.org.au/Is-the-use-of-electronic-dog-collars-legal_279.html Banned in Wales  Quote: More dog news – electric shock collars banned in Wales By Andy Dawson Britain’s streets could soon be overrun by an army of ill-disciplined barking dogs thanks to crazy new Welsh legislation that may sweep the rest of the nation. Or at least that’s what we’d be saying if we were the Daily Mail. But we’re not. So instead we’ll just calmly report that Wales has become the first part of the UK to ban the use of electrified pet collars that are used to train unruly cats and dogs, blasting them with a burst of electricity whenever they act the goat. From midnight last night, anyone in Wales caught using one of the collars faces a fine of up to £20,000 or six months in prison. Presumably it is still legal to use them on consenting humans as part of a warped yankee doodle-related game. source http://www.bitterwallet.com/more-dog-news-electric-shock-collars-banned-in-wales/27275 A dog has alot of friends because he wags his tail instead of his mouth. - Charlie Daniels
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