Eddie

I don't understand, why do you want to punish :rolleyes: your dog for being a dog <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> !!! Instead of a punish technique why not go with a corrective technique. And once again imo that would be to train him to listen to you, ie OBEDIENCE . Motivational training I believe would result in a happier dog than complusion.

Leerburgs 'Basic Obedience dvd' is an excellent training aid and a good investment to start with.
and though I haven't seen it I think it is new and improved now a days, than the older version I have.

I was interested in this forum because I have bought a Dobe and was hoping to learn a few things. Buy a few films. I 'learned' a few things quicker than I wanted.

I just read this man ask for help. What he got was a tounge lashing about how ignorant and irresponsible he is. Look, what happened to him could happen to anyone and he just wants some advice. I see egos are really big in this forum so this will be my first and last entry.

I read: "If I might be even a bit more blunt - unless you are a police officer or the like, you don't need an aggressive dog."

Am I missing something? I seems to me that leerburg.com is a business making dogs aggressive on command. Are ALL of you guys police officers?


Peace!
So long
Michael Gortney

my thinking is that your dog did exactly want he was suppose to do and that was to protect your house with the unwanted person in the house and he took care of the problem without biting him...80 to 90 percent of GSD will go off on weird movement..if you dont want this to happen again...then u need to keep the dog leashed inside your house or doors locked and closed when excepting people over unenounced..17 months is still a young dog and his mind is still very suspicious..i feel that it is very tough to have a dog that is supose to know who u want in your house and who you dont unless that person visits quite often and likes to give treats to them or plays ball with them...i am sure that the gentleman that came over and the dog can sence that he is afraid of him ...try having the guy give him treats...if that is what u want and i am sure they will be friends forever...i tell most people that approach me and my dogs that they are like a fine piece of art to be looked at and not touched if for some reason they come up to you to smell then just ignore them and they will go back to what they were doing...and i get the question all the time from kids about if they bite and i tell the kids How do u thing they eat their food and with that said i dont get the fussing around them that kids like to do to dogs....but that is just one point of view.. One more thing is that i am glad i dont live in the city seems to me that their are alot of people that just want to sue each other for whatever reason...Small town living is a treat and easy when u know everyone in town and we look out for each other and each other animals.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Well yes, he did and didn't do what he wanted. In Eddies first post he stated that he took his dog with him to the construction site hoping that his barking would chase away any thieves that might come along. I didn't see it say 'I took my dog to the construction site hoping some thieves would come along so blitz could take a chunk out of them. He left the door unlocked because he knew the workers would be arriving. The dog should have been leashed then, if he didn't have vocal command over the dog. So some people pointed out what could happen because he didn't have full control of his dog or situation. jmo.

What if the worker showed up at the house and said mmmmmm theres a truck here, and construction site theft is a problem around here I better call the cops before I go in the house. So now a law officer enters the house to check it out and blitz (seems to be a proper name for him) is blitzing towards him and not listening to commands to stop. Eddie quite possibly would have a dead dog on his hands, probably a few other charges on top of that. And I don't see why it wouldn't be a justified shooting, being as the officer was in fear of his safety while performing his duties.

And Eddies question was ; What do you guys recommend on how to handle this behavior? And his question was answered.

So Michael I didn't see anyone call him ignorant or irresponsible, you said that. So there is no reason to not come back, this is a great forum it isn't about making dogs aggressive. It is about dog training. To what degree someone wants to take their dog in their training is up to them.

So come on back and "search" thru the old post lots of good informative reading and a lot of so so reading and funny reading too.

Mr. Nash,

I didn't call Mr. Briza ignorant. I re-read my posts to be sure. Perhaps my style of writing is antagonistic. I am sorry.

Generally I agree with your comments. It is up to the individual to determine a comfortable level of training, and an acceptable attitude for his/her dog.

Without much apparent success I tried to make obvious the potential downside of a dog's 'apparent' aggressive attitude. Obviously I failed. Mea culpa.

Still...

Anyways... this jist of the matter seems to be this: I need to have full control over my dog without a leash or isolation. What I'm going to work on is advanced that work when he is in drive mode(s).

While I still don't believe anything practical in terms of training advice was offerred here, the above posts are very true. We (not me, others in the city) have had a number of dogs shot by police for instance.

I guess Ed's DVDs could be more helpful in this area.

Yes Eddie, you're right <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
OB would be it.

In a perfect world your dog will look
to you before making a move (or you'll
anticipate it anyways) but he's still a pup
and will do dumb things. I find the tie-down
works 'cause my dog hates it so much. Nothing
is uglier than a pouting GSD, lol. I don't know
the 'compulsion'/'motivation' techniques involved,
but it gets the point across. Sorry I can't be more helpful as far as training tips, but he's your dog, lol. I know from an incident I had last summer that I had to watch my dog like a hawk...
now you know too, lol. OB...

I'm really hoping Michael G. and Michelle T. are
mates and they're both sterile...

O'k , Mike Arnold now it's your turn. RELAX, Don't be so defensive I was addressing Micheal G. not you! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> If you reread I was agreeing with you just tried to put it a different way. Though the truth be told I did frown on the comment about who needs an aggressive dog but that is your opinion and you explained it in a later post. So all is well with me. How about you, can we still be friends? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Eddie it isn't advanced, Just basic dog obedience it is some time and effort but a must if you are going to be a dog owner.

Motivation - teaching your dog via a reward he wants/enjoys such as with food/treat a toy he likes or playing a game he likes. The dog learns to do what you want because he knows when he does he will get to do what he likes afterward

Compulsion- forced to do a certain behavior, You go to work because you are motivated to do so cause you want a paycheck. You aren't forced to go to work and do something you don't want to with out getting a paycheck because you are a slave, if you were, you would be a very unhappy person I am sure of that!

Search thru the old post Eddie I am sure you will find just about anything you want to know If not then post for an answer. And get the dvd!!!

Now Cynthia.......... be nice... But it was funny <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Mike Arnold wrote: "If I might be even a bit more blunt - unless you are a police officer or the like, you don't need an aggressive dog."


I strongly disagree with this statement. If more people had aggressive dogs there would be less crime. Kids getting taken from homes, break-ins, home invasions, etc can be detered by having an aggressive dog in the home.

The only thing is that the owner must be aware of the situations that can arise with an aggressive dog and the dog and owner MUST have training.