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Leave it or critter proofing is one of the things I will use compulsion on at an early age without batting an eye. The safety of my poor cat depends on it.
For me it's a safety issue, both for the cat, the dogs, and for the owner at times.
Come on Howard, we all know you are lazy! <ducking and running>
I'm not at all against e-collars. I use one every time my dog goes outside off leash.
That said, I despise invisible fence. They don't solve any problem, just like a lid on a trash can does.
Have to go to work. (cleaning off the necks of dogs with invisible fence punctures from the collar being on for so long!) I'll post more later. Or, maybe Connie can elaborate on why a e-fence in this situation isn't fair?
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005
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I didn't mean anything about e-collars at all.
This is invisible-fence-like, though, right?
Aside from the other invisible-fence problems (like either animal going through, and failure of whatever the power supply is), wouldn't this make the small space the cat was in be the "forbidden zone"?
I don't know. It doesn't seem to teach no-cat to me.
But I have big invisible-fence doubts, period.
A kid walks by when the dog is zapped.
Or redirected aggression is focused on something/someone else in the vicinity.
Howard Knauf Webboard User Reg: 09-24-2003
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Quote: Kelly Byrd
I'm not at all against e-collars. I use one every time my dog goes outside off leash.
That said, I despise invisible fence. They don't solve any problem, just like a lid on a trash can does.
Have to go to work. (cleaning off the necks of dogs with invisible fence punctures from the collar being on for so long!) I'll post more later. Or, maybe Connie can elaborate on why a e-fence in this situation isn't fair?
OK. You can't in one post say garbage can lids are good ideas, then say they aren't and equate them to efence to support your claim. That's not credible.
I agree that an ecollar left on that creates holes is abusive. I never condoned that.
Using an ecollar to prevent certain bad behavior is not much different than an efence. Matter of fact, there are those on here that use the ecollar in conjunction with an efence to initially set the parameters in the dogs' head at first use.
Just so I'm clear. Is it OK to put an ecollar on a dog and stim him when he tries to get into a trash can? Or to stop him from doing some other bad doggy behavior? If so, there is no difference...except that with the efence you never miss the opportunity to give the correction.
I use the ecollar to stop crittering. What's the difference in stimming him myself and the dog learning by his own experience to stay away from an object?
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