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[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#342115 - 01/06/2012 04:47 PM |
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I knew that bacteria wasn't a concern for animals, but I had read in a book (one of the many I have read) to freeze for three days before feeding. Sounds like bad information. Good to know. I've already been giving raw ground turkey and beef with their dehydrated raw. Now that I know I don't have to freeze it for three days, I'll defrost some tomorrow and try it out. I'm sure the dogs are going to love it. They all whine and bark while I'm preparing their food already. I may have to scrape them off the ceiling now. I think I'll take them outside to give them the whole chicken. Don't want the mess in the house...
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Re: Need support
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#342118 - 01/06/2012 04:45 PM |
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I knew that bacteria wasn't a concern for animals, but I had read in a book (one of the many I have read) to freeze for three days before feeding. Sounds like bad information. Good to know. I've already been giving raw ground turkey and beef with their dehydrated raw. Now that I know I don't have to freeze it for three days, I'll defrost some tomorrow and try it out. I'm sure the dogs are going to love it. They all whine and bark while I'm preparing their food already. I may have to scrape them off the ceiling now. I think I'll take them outside to give them the whole chicken. Don't want the mess in the house.
No, food-borne pathogens are not a 100% non-concern. Dogs can be sickened from salmonella and E. coli, etc. But they have evolved good mechanisms against it, as scavengers.
Raw ground turkey would be way low on my list these days. There are big ground-turkey recalls, and even when there are not, pathogens on ground meat have many opportunities to go from the surface into the middle and colonize. See Dr. Betty's post here: http://leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Board=10&Number=341592&Searchpage=1&Main=30676&Words=ground&topic=0&Search=true#Post341594
Also, rinsing can go a long way toward mechanically removing a lot of them from un-ground meat.
See http://leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Board=10&Number=341595&Searchpage=1&Main=30676&Words=boiling&topic=0&Search=true#Post341595
Reminder of two things your post brings up: You will probably want to remove the skin and major fat-blobs just for the beginning, until you see log poops. Also, RMBs are high-value food to dogs. You will want to strictly police the meals for more than one dog, inside or outside, regardless of any history of peaceful mealtimes with commercial foods.
"I'm sure the dogs are going to love it."
I'm sure too. 
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Re: Need support
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#342120 - 08/18/2011 08:24 PM |
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FWIW I have a small dog, and a real small dog, and I find chicken thighs are better than wings. The wing tips are sometimes vomited up whole, or come out whole in the stool. Thighs seem to work well.
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Re: Need support
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#342131 - 08/18/2011 10:33 PM |
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I planned on feeding separately and under supervision. I was aware of the turkey recall, but figured it was settled because it's back on the shelf. I read the book "Slaughterhouse" and haven't eaten ground anything but buffalo from Wyoming (The Buffalo Guys) since. I seriously almost vomitted when I read it. See, this is what scares me. Just when you think your doing the right thing, your not, scary!
Thanks for the tip. I will skin the chicken and feed drumsticks instead od wings, ugh! Stress!
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Re: Need support
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#342171 - 08/19/2011 10:45 AM |
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It's not stressy. Really, I swear!  You will look back and laugh!
If you post here, in fact, someone will reply to any potential problems.
If you start with thighs (which I think you have in your freezer), or chicken backs, even better, but lots of folks start with thighs, too .... it's easy to peel off that layer of skin/fat for the first few meals.
"See, this is what scares me. Just when you think your doing the right thing, your not, scary!" You'll do GREAT. And the dogs will do great, too. 
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Re: Need support
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#342179 - 08/19/2011 01:16 PM |
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I've also read in several places to freeze for 3 days first to kill some kind of bacteria or parasites... I don't remember what it was referring to exactly, but it wasn't salmonella or e-coli. They compared it to freezing fish for sushi for 3 days, which is a must for human consumption of raw fish (or maybe just pacific northwest fish??). I also read to freeze game meat for 30 days. But it's good to know you guys haven't had any problems.
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Re: Need support
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#342180 - 08/19/2011 01:36 PM |
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Re: Need support
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#342182 - 08/19/2011 01:58 PM |
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Re: Need support
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#342184 - 08/19/2011 02:20 PM |
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It is amazing to see Jethro and Skipper eat chicken backs and necks and the next day they poop out these dry, poop pellets. I used to cut them up into smaller bite size pieces, but now they eat them straight from the package. They don't have them every day, but they seem to love the satisfying crunch crunch of eating those bones and really having to gnaw at their food.
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Re: Need support
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#342185 - 08/19/2011 02:33 PM |
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It is amazing to see Jethro and Skipper eat chicken backs ... they seem to love the satisfying crunch crunch of eating those bones and really having to gnaw at their food.
Even my very senior adopted Pug who has had more than a few teeth extracted from an already small-toothed mouth gets this dreamy look with half-closed eyes as he crunch-crunch-crunches through chicken backs. 
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