Very interesting. Thank you Betty.

 Quote: Betty Waldron

Seen dogs that have competed Nationally and have trialed at a Sch3 level repeatedly refuse to out.

Very Sad, but true.

Here is one of the examples from FMBB 2010 - in the same trial the same team got a perfect score in the first round of protection and disqualified for not outing in the second:

Stunning 100-point protection routine

C2-disqualified in the second round

Excellent example Ana!!! Thank you.

I think the thing that surprised me most was the “three” opportunities the handler gets to use the command.

In the second video the dog seemed fully committed to holding on when his handler was at the end of the field and “outed” perfectly when he was just a few feet away.

I thought the second video was so interesting. In the first video there seemed to be one helper throughout (couldn’t be 100% sure, the shoes looked a bit different but the suits were black). In the second video there was a different helper in the beginning and a different helper in the second part when he wouldn’t out. He had a blue suit on.

So the two different events in the same show? Are they tested more than once in the protection phase? This looks very similar to Schutzhund but must be a different sport. What does FMBB stand for?

From my peanut gallery observations, I’m sure this dog just really liked that blue suit. I would be doing a lot of proofing with blue.

Very exciting Ana, what great examples!! You just have me totally confused on the processes now.

> why Second helper ..

In the SchH3 class, larger trials typically use two helpers. One works the front half. That is the hold in the blind, the escape, the re-attack, and transport.

The other works the back half. This is the courage test (long bite) and a re-attack.

It's a very phyically demanding task. The helpers are generally very athletic -- think linebacker.

> What does FMBB stand for?

FMBB = Federation Mondiale du Berger Belge

The Malinois Ringsport Association

FMBB holds IPO, MR, show, OB, agility and jumps world championships for Malinois only.

GSDs and Mals compete together at international level in FCI IPO championship.

 Quote: Charlie Snyder

> why Second helper ..

In the SchH3 class, larger trials typically use two helpers. One works the front half. That is the hold in the blind, the escape, the re-attack, and transport.

The other works the back half. This is the courage test (long bite) and a re-attack.

It's a very phyically demanding task. The helpers are generally very athletic -- think linebacker.

That makes a lot of sense. Thank you for that information.

Ana I got lost in those links and feel a little wiser for it. I just wished that FMBB one had a bit more English in some sections.

I got to about page 30 of the IPO rules but have full intentions of reading it all. Thanks for all information guys.

Oh and I certainly didn’t mean to flood your thread with my newbie questions Mr. Snyder. I hope you had a great time!!