Connie Sutherland wrote 09/16/2011 09:33 PM Re: Raw diet an issue with therapy dogs???? [Re: Betty Landercasp ] #344491 - 09/16/2011 09:33 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	I don't feed ground meat, either. I don't think I ever did, but I definitely wouldn't these days.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 09/16/2011 09:40 PM Re: Raw diet an issue with therapy dogs???? [Re: Betty Landercasp ] #344492 - 09/16/2011 09:40 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Betty Landercasp .... We had a dead turkey yesterday. I put her in the dumpster, even though the Pinker thought she looked delicious....... I'm sure he did! I'm sure he was shocked at your action! Did he stare at you with mouth agape and eyeballs bulging?
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CJ Barrett wrote 09/16/2011 09:46 PM Re: Raw diet an issue with therapy dogs???? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #344493 - 09/16/2011 09:46 PM
CJ Barrett Webboard User Reg: 04-19-2009 Posts: 1797 Loc: Offline	Quote: Connie Sutherland I don't feed ground meat, either. I don't think I ever did, but I definitely wouldn't these days. We have the butcher grind a lot of our deer/moose meat with some of the larger bones. Would this be in the same category that you guys are talking about? Is it all ground meat or just beef (domestic animals) you’re talking about?
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Connie Sutherland wrote 09/16/2011 10:07 PM Re: Raw diet an issue with therapy dogs???? [Re: CJ Barrett ] #344494 - 09/16/2011 10:07 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	I can't speak for Betty, but I meant pre-ground slaughter meat. Because: I don't want someone to both chop the muscle into little bits and also mix the surface in with it so the surface pathogens can get in there and reproduce throughout for the time between grinding and purchasing. I'm sure there are much more apt descriptions than that. That's my layman's POV. Here is the USDA's verbiage at http://www.fsis.usda.gov : ... Any food of animal origin can harbor bacteria. Pathogenic bacteria, such as Salmonella, Escherichia coli O157:H7, Campylobacter jejuni, Listeria monocytogenes, and Staphylococcus aureus, cause illness. These harmful bacteria can not be seen or smelled. When meat is ground, more of the meat is exposed to the harmful bacteria.
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CJ Barrett wrote 09/16/2011 10:41 PM Re: Raw diet an issue with therapy dogs???? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #344495 - 09/16/2011 10:41 PM
CJ Barrett Webboard User Reg: 04-19-2009 Posts: 1797 Loc: Offline	Quote: Connie Sutherland When meat is ground, more of the meat is exposed to the harmful bacteria. That makes a lot of sense. And tenderized meats they’re saying too. Very interesting article. They’re talking about labeling these meat products with proper warnings. I wonder what that’s going to look like. E-coli, listeria and salmonella bacteria contained in this product. And while I think the majority of people are aware of this, perhaps the stark warnings will enable folks to think twice about what they are purchasing, how they treat it and prepare it for their families/the public. As well as a lot these current products never hitting the market, it sounds like a good move .... for next March though??
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Tracy Collins wrote 09/17/2011 07:27 AM Re: Raw diet an issue with therapy dogs???? [Re: CJ Barrett ] #344515 - 09/17/2011 07:27 AM
Tracy Collins Webboard User Reg: 10-09-2008 Posts: 1917 Loc: St. Louis, Missouri Offline	All the more reason why I wish there were more widespread use of irradiation as a method of sterilizing food products--raw meat and fresh produce. It's entirely effective at killing these pathogens in food, but public perception that the food is "radioactive" or something has made it difficult to implement. Right now, about the only thing radiation is used on are spices, and many tropical fruits. But there's no reason why it couldn't be SOP for all foods. No more hysteria. No more deadly spinach. No more recalls (and waste) of tons of ground meat and millions of eggs. But that takes public understanding (and trust) in science and an investment in the technology and infrastructure. Right now, we can't even pay meat inspectors to visually examine beef carcasses. Cinco | Jack | Fanny | Ellie | Chip | Deacon
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Betty Landercasp wrote 09/17/2011 07:42 AM Re: Raw diet an issue with therapy dogs???? [Re: Tracy Collins ] #344516 - 09/17/2011 07:42 AM
Betty Landercasp Webboard User Reg: 11-30-2009 Posts: 3724 Loc: minnesota Offline	Irradiation would be terrific. Don't meat inspectors still look at carcasses? --- I have friends who retired from large animal practice to do this work. No fun, carcasses are swinging by at an incredible rate and it's your call, yeh or nay, based on a quick view. I think it may be a thankless job, like being and airport screener.... http://s922.photobucket.com/albums/ad67/Grasvaly/
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Tracy Collins wrote 09/17/2011 08:04 AM Re: Raw diet an issue with therapy dogs???? [Re: Betty Landercasp ] #344518 - 09/17/2011 08:04 AM
Tracy Collins Webboard User Reg: 10-09-2008 Posts: 1917 Loc: St. Louis, Missouri Offline	Thousands of USDA food inspectors are on the chopping block, among many other federal services, as our leaders decide the proper role of government. And even the best meat inspectors can't see bacteria with the naked eye as those carcasses swing by. Every week, a new recall of something deadly in the grocery store. And fewer and fewer people with the responsibility to keep us safe. Unfortunately, I think food borne pathogens and viral infections are a bigger threat to homeland security than any of us want to believe. Cinco | Jack | Fanny | Ellie | Chip | Deacon
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Ben McDonald wrote 09/17/2011 10:19 AM Re: Raw diet an issue with therapy dogs???? [Re: Tracy Collins ] #344523 - 09/17/2011 10:19 AM
Ben McDonald Webboard User Reg: 05-25-2011 Posts: 439 Loc: Lawton, OK Offline	Food irradiation for your home? Looks like a microwave, but zaps your food clean! Cassy & Leo enjoying a nap.
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Mara Jessup wrote 09/17/2011 10:50 AM Re: Raw diet an issue with therapy dogs???? [Re: Tracy Collins ] #344525 - 09/17/2011 10:50 AM
Mara Jessup Webboard User Reg: 12-28-2005 Posts: 2316 Loc: Offline	Quote: Tracy Collins Thousands of USDA food inspectors are on the chopping block, among many other federal services, as our leaders decide the proper role of government. And even the best meat inspectors can't see bacteria with the naked eye as those carcasses swing by. Every week, a new recall of something deadly in the grocery store. And fewer and fewer people with the responsibility to keep us safe. Unfortunately, I think food borne pathogens and viral infections are a bigger threat to homeland security than any of us want to believe. Even with government inspections, I wouldn't trust it anymore. Last years egg fiasco came from a plant with regular inspections if I remember right. but the inspectors looked the other way because of whatever. I think government just adds to much politics and beauracracy to the process with less that stellar results. It took my brother 1.5 years and $20,000 to start a small kitchen (15x20 or so) to sell baked goods at a local farmers market. It was amazing to say the least... But you're right - we need good inspection. What like to see are third party inspectors - like the good housekeeping seal of approval for food. Some companies already use them with really good results. For instance one of my brother's manages a local cider mill. They want to sell to Costco, but Costco won't buy from them unless they pass a detailed 3rd party inspection. It's thorough, professional and the cost is quite reasonable. K-9 Knitter
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