 Re: growling, teeth, etc., at dominance/confinement
[Re: Bob Scott ]
#346154 - 10/04/2011 09:35 PM |
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I for one don't have the skill set to work with a dog like that.
Kudos to Betty!
I don't want to get all slobbery over this, but one last comment .... Betty spent many weeks with PMs of detailed steps and exercises with this dog, and Betty did the work. She spent a ton of hours and patience and commitment, and it paid off in spades. 
She is the opposite of the folks who ask how to work on something important and then back away when you start to detail the answer, with an "Oh, you don't have a wand?" expression.
OK, 'nuff sweet talk. 
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Re: growling, teeth, etc., at dominance/confinement
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#346156 - 10/04/2011 09:40 PM |
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Go Betty!!!!!!!!
Connie, I'd still like that wand, if you ever find one.... 
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Re: growling, teeth, etc., at dominance/confinement
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#346164 - 10/04/2011 10:38 PM |
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Moved from "Fearbiters: Born or made?" thread ....
QUOTE (Betty Landercasp):
He growls and slings his teeth hard and scary at my eyes and face. The only reason he doesn't connect is because his little body is stiff and I've got his face pointed away from me.
I disagree Betty. The only reason he didn't connect is because of all the work you have done; frustrating as this situation was, it is actually a testament to the work you and Pinkers have done! Congratulations!
Now, as far as handling your dog "right" IMO it is an evolving relationship. Thor is almost 12 and I still make judgement errors in handling him that result in not catastrophies but scenarios that could have and should have been avoided. These happen a lot less frequently than years ago but they serve to focus me and help us to continue to grow together (silver lining  )
I have a question about the "chute incident". Did your pup bail before the last calf or after his attempts to move him failed?
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[Re: Sheila Buckley ]
#346165 - 10/04/2011 10:48 PM |
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I would not know how to deal with a dog that does not like to be touched. All my dogs and I have a relationship that borders on codependency  .
Kudos to Betty if she is able to work such an independent dog.
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Re: growling, teeth, etc., at dominance/confinement
[Re: Kelly Byrd ]
#346167 - 10/04/2011 10:54 PM |
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You guys are really nice.
We work cattle every day. For at least an hour. He's been pushing them out of open doors for a month, which is easy. Last week he started pushing them out the door next to the chute. This week, thru the chute.
He's been moving cows (in my arms) since he was 12 wks old, this being picked up to growl and boss cows is something he's been doing since I got him. If I think the cow might be a jerk I pick him up. He's like a little hot shot.
That way no one gets hurt. He's just started real independent off leash cow moving about 2 months ago.
This is the first time he bit at my face. I chose to let it go. Maybe he's too big, too mature for the "herding in arms" technique -- but I see you guys petting your dogs while they are growling and biting sleeves, I don't see your dogs turning around and biting you.
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Re: growling, teeth, etc., at dominance/confinement
[Re: Betty Landercasp ]
#346168 - 10/04/2011 11:02 PM |
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but I see you guys petting your dogs while they are growling and biting sleeves, I don't see your dogs turning around and biting you.
We call that redirection. 'We' don't like to post pics/video of it, but TRUST ME, it happens!!!
I say 'we'... I mean bite sport people in general. I'd guess that everyone has seen it happen. If it happens to a good friend of yours, and only clothing is ripped, you giggle. Otherwise, you check on the person, then giggle.
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Re: growling, teeth, etc., at dominance/confinement
[Re: Betty Landercasp ]
#346169 - 10/04/2011 11:05 PM |
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Go back and look at your original post about fear biters. John Axe posted a picture of a bite and read the comments following from other posters; you are not alone.
And it sounds to me like you handled it really well. And this might come as a surprise; I don't think a lot of people are as honest as you....in other words things aren't always what they seem and you and Pinkers relationship might be the greenest grass on the other side. Hang in there! You're doing great!
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Re: growling, teeth, etc., at dominance/confinement
[Re: Kelly Byrd ]
#346180 - 10/05/2011 12:27 AM |
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but I see you guys petting your dogs while they are growling and biting sleeves, I don't see your dogs turning around and biting you.
We call that redirection. 'We' don't like to post pics/video of it, but TRUST ME, it happens!!!
I say 'we'... I mean bite sport people in general. I'd guess that everyone has seen it happen. If it happens to a good friend of yours, and only clothing is ripped, you giggle. Otherwise, you check on the person, then giggle.
I agree with Kelly. Betty, to me your incident sounds like it was simple redirection.
I think he was already overstimulated and trying to avoid any more conflict (shown by his blowing you off to go away and eat the feed).
Then, being carried over the fence just pushed him past his threshold and he lashed out without thinking. I think you handled it well by being non-reactive. And I wouldn't take it personally, or look at it as being a sign of a bad relationship.
My Mal pup has redirected onto me a few times when she was younger (causing some very nice bruising, lol), but I followed the advice of ME, remained non-reactive, and she got over it.
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[Re: Tabatha Farnel ]
#346181 - 10/05/2011 12:59 AM |
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My Mal pup has redirected onto me a few times when she was younger (causing some very nice bruising, lol), but I followed the advice of ME, remained non-reactive, and she got over it.
Ignore the bad stuff, reward the good stuff. It really does work well. A little tough to do in some situations as you’re writhing in pain, but they quickly get over it and so should we.
It sounds like you handled that perfectly Betty. A confident leader comes to mind.
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Re: growling, teeth, etc., at dominance/confinement
[Re: CJ Barrett ]
#346182 - 10/05/2011 02:40 AM |
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I'm with the consensus on this one. You did exactly what you were supposed to do by being non-reactive. I'd just give him more time to cool down when you can tell he's stressed like that, as long as he is safe.
On a side note just out of curiosity - What would the pack leader have done in that situation if the leader was a dog and not a person? Would he have remained indifferent, or given a correction to the subordinate?
Cassy & Leo enjoying a nap.
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