Jose Miguel Gome Webboard User Reg: 11-11-2008
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Thank you for all the ideas and suggestions. This is a very interesting question for me and I am glad you are abble to share your experiences.
I must admit that I've always thought that keeping the dog in a state that he does not know exactly what I am going to ask next would be better than the opposite situation.
Do you mean that when you are training a new behaviour you do not use other learned behaviours in the middle?
Let's say that I am in a 3-5 minute session that I am trying to teach him to go from place A to B with a target on B. In the middle of this session I should not ask for sits and downs and 360º turns?
I guess that in such session, without intermediate behaviours, I would become boring to the dog. Don't you think?
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Quote: Ben McDonald
Don't mix commands (seperate actions) until after he has completely learned all the commands involved, or you will confuse him. If your working on one behavior, stick with that behavior until he knows it, then you can mix the two. Doing a random command in training while trying to learn another one is just confusing. Don't forget to give your dog a mental break once in a while too, dogs get mental fatigue and need to clear their heads.
See above.
You don't want to start mixing in other commands when you are training something new.
It's confusing to the dog.
when you are training a new behaviour just stick with that.
if you want to do a mixed up session of behaviours he already knows make that a seperate training session.
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I must admit that I've always thought that keeping the dog in a state that he does not know exactly what I am going to ask next would be better than the opposite situation.
I guess that in such session, without intermediate behaviours, I would become boring to the dog. Don't you think?
Don't think. "Boring" means not engaged; you don't get engagement from the dog when you mix commands, and if he gets confused, you will LOSE engagement. You can improve engagement by adding play (say "tug") as a reward.
I just finished watching "Advanced Concepts in Motivation" and it covers exactly this.
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in a state that he does not know exactly what I am going to ask next
How would that make you feel? Would you be fully effective at work if, just when you have the answer, your boss changes the question?
Teach the dog what is expected, THEN proceed to complex behaviors.
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Quote: Jose Miguel Gome
Thank you for all the ideas and suggestions. This is a very interesting question for me and I am glad you are abble to share your experiences.
I must admit that I've always thought that keeping the dog in a state that he does not know exactly what I am going to ask next would be better than the opposite situation.
Do you mean that when you are training a new behaviour you do not use other learned behaviours in the middle?
Let's say that I am in a 3-5 minute session that I am trying to teach him to go from place A to B with a target on B. In the middle of this session I should not ask for sits and downs and 360º turns?
I guess that in such session, without intermediate behaviours, I would become boring to the dog. Don't you think?
No it wouldn't. That's why we keep sessions short and upbeat, so it doesn't become boring. Dogs learn in black and white, and connect actions or behaviors with a single command (and non-verbal cues!). Chaining commands while learning a new one is just confusing. It's not fair to ask for an unlearned behavior while throwing other commands at them. To dogs, there aren't simple, intermediate, advanced, and expert commands, only black and white.
Ever tried to remember a long number long enough to go write it down, and someone starts saying random numbers before you can? Messes up your memory and concentration doesn't it. Same principle.
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