 Re: Einstein e-collar
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#370379 - 12/09/2012 10:50 PM |
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CJ one last thing worth mentioning. When I burned Enzo with the DOGTRA, his response was more scared/hurt and he would pant heavily. With the Einstein, he yelped but the heavy panting never happened and he didnt seem scared; just an oops I screwed up and got back in line. Hope that helps. If you do get the Einstein, I'll be curious to know your thoughts.
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Re: Einstein e-collar
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#370384 - 12/10/2012 09:00 AM |
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Strange that the only collars that Einstein offers with vibrate are the 300 and 400, both of which are their small to medium size types (rated for 5lb and 10lb). None of their 20lb collars, which seems to be the highest offer vibrate. I've never placed much merit on the weight and figure it has to do with the receiver size and the stim strength. As we've discussed, my pup is quite a bit bigger than 15lbs that her ET-550 is rated at and works fine. I know people training 140lb neopolitans with a Dogtra IQ which is a 10lb collar.
Leerburg even sells the ET-400 in their two receiver package for working dogs so the collar can be worn looser and you get more reliable contact with one of the two receivers... they don't seem to think a thing of using the 10lb collar for a package designed for dogs doing bite work which leads me to futher believe that it's fine for a larger dog as long as you don't need more stim than it can provide. (and I'm assuming that a 100 on a 5lb collar is less than a 100 on a 20lb collar)
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Re: Einstein e-collar
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#370385 - 12/10/2012 09:22 AM |
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And as far as the tone, I can't imagine confusing it with a whistle. I think the ET-500 might work great for you in a two dog unit... definitely better than a dogtra since you get the benefit of independent levels for each dog.
I'd vote for a) double check that you can return it if you don't like the tone or size of the transmitter and then b) order it 
It drop ships directly from Einstein btw, or at least mine did.
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Re: Einstein e-collar
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#370386 - 12/10/2012 10:13 AM |
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Your train of thought there Bryan is very much in line with what’s going on in my head and why I\m still hedging on the send button.
I wonder who would best know about the different stim intensities (if that’s the case) and why the 300 and 400 are rated for 5 and 10 lb dogs as opposed to 20 lbs.
Jeff would probably have a good idea but I'll see if I can find an email address for Einstein before bugging him.
And yeah, I really like the idea of their two dog model. Currently I've got two independent Dogtra 1900’s and just love them for their stability, reliability and consistency, not to mention the boys are well versed in them. They're just really comfortable for how I've trained them and what we do.
And it's not like they've needed anywhere near the maximum 127 stim power so they're a bit overkill in that respect but, for my sense of security, I know it's there if necessary.
Okay, off to see if there's some contact information out there.
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Re: Einstein e-collar
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#370387 - 12/10/2012 10:57 AM |
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to put dogtra 300m numbers to ET-400 numbers, Valentina usually works around 30 on the 300m (on a scale of 1-100 for that model which is also a 15lb model like the ET-400). On the ET-400, I find that she responds well to a 20 or so. These are in relatively low distraction environments where we use nick to correct breaking from position from a distance among a quiet training group for example. Your 1900 is a 20lb model but I bet 100 on the 300m = 100 on 1900 and the difference is in the 101-127 stim range. Just a guess there though.
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Re: Einstein e-collar
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#370388 - 12/10/2012 11:31 AM |
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Did you get the 400 Bryan? And good comparison, thanks. I keep mine around the 25 - 30 range as well.
I fired off an email to the sales department of the company. We'll see what they come back with.
Just a bit of side note, going thru their website I noticed this:
"Ed Farley holding an Einstein ET-800A in his hand."
And while great for advertising, it might be worth the company's time to spell his name correctly. It kind of took me back a little, when looking at a company that you're basing some precision and accuracy in. 
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Re: Einstein e-collar
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#370390 - 12/10/2012 12:50 PM |
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And it's not like they've needed anywhere near the maximum 127 stim power so they're a bit overkill in that respect but, for my sense of security, I know it's there if necessary.
I'd say don't discount the max level in any collar. The other day I hit Enzo at 127 when his prey drive kicked in for a cat. I turned it up to prob 45-50, hit it..nothing. Cranked to 127, I burned his hot butt! I have never seen a dog rear like a horse...I mean literally his front legs went up and over him. He turned tail and hit a focus heel that I never even asked for, for the next 1/3 of a mile. It was the prettiest heel I've ever seen! 
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Re: Einstein e-collar
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#370392 - 12/10/2012 01:20 PM |
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Well, I must say, I'm impressed.
A guy by the name of Greg responded and provided me detailed "big dog" information (a slide show, spec's and voltage info) about the ET-802TS. And it has the vibrate!! Well tapping sensation as they put it.
It doesn't look like Leerburg carries this particular one so they will have my order shortly.
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Re: Einstein e-collar
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#370429 - 12/11/2012 07:43 AM |
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Sorry, no I have the ET-500... that was a typo above. I'm curious to hear your review of the unit when you get your 802TS. It sounds like a phone call to them was a great idea
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Re: Einstein e-collar
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#370468 - 12/11/2012 08:11 PM |
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Thanks Bryan, it was a good phone call.
They were shipping it this morning so it should be here soon.
Another thing I found kind of neat...on the invoice it indicated they're in a town called "Garrett" IN. The name of my eldest pup. Not one that will be wearing it but it was kind of neat that he got in the mix too.
And yes, will post a review as soon as I've had a chance to try it out.
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