Connie Sutherland wrote 09/10/2012 11:30 AM Re: Question on bone/meat ratio [Re: Joyce Salazar ] #366486 - 09/10/2012 11:30 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Joyce Salazar I love rotating the HK in for variety, it's super convenient and adds in great vegetables. I do too, Joyce. The fish one, Zeal, while spendy, is so filled with excellent ingredients that I make it a point to give some at least once a week. Embark, I add a gravy of often -- whenever I think of it. These to me are can't-go-wrong additions to raw. http://leerburg.com/honestkitchen.htm I get mine from LB. IME, they ship faster (and I'm usually needing something else from LB anyway ..... no need to double up shipping).
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Anne Jones wrote 09/10/2012 05:35 PM Re: Question on bone/meat ratio [Re: Barbara Schuler ] #366494 - 09/10/2012 05:35 PM
Anne Jones Webboard User Reg: 04-29-2004 Posts: 3825 Loc: Northeast Offline	I also use THK Embark & Zeal as a part of my dogs' raw diet. I use it as a 'sauce' over meals, as part of meals & sometimes AS a whole meal, if I forget to take something out of the freezer. It is also great for traveling, camping etc with your dogs, as all you need to add is water & you have a comnplete healthy raw meal. :-) MY DOGS...MY RULES
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Jeffrey Hill wrote 09/10/2012 05:37 PM Re: Question on bone/meat ratio [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #366496 - 09/10/2012 05:37 PM
Jeffrey Hill Webboard User Reg: 02-07-2011 Posts: 105 Loc: Offline	Quote: Connie Sutherland  Quote: Jeffrey Hill I have been trying to figure out the same thing. I recently switched my dog over to honest kitchen embark, now I want to add in a chicken back with it. I just have to figure out how much honest kitchen to give her with that back and we should be all the way on raw from here on out. If the add-in is straight boneless meat, then you need to stick to the box directions for the maximum on meat add-ins. That said, with a chicken back, you are pretty safe, even if you exceed that amount somewhat. (THK as a base is a little different from all RMBs and meat.) Good choice, BTW, whether you use it as a bridge to all raw or whether you give THK with RMBs permanently. JMO! That was my line of thinking on this, especially since I still travel a lot. Right now she is on 3 cups of embark a day and is very happy. I have been sprinkling in a little pro bios to help the change. For once, she hasn't shown any signs of GI stress from a food change. In fact she is taking a big old turkey nap right now. On monday I am going to move her down to 2 cups and alternate a chicken back or turkey neck instead of the third cup and see what happens. Then i might add in a little glucosamine and omega fish oil to her hk mix.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 09/10/2012 06:09 PM Re: Question on bone/meat ratio [Re: Anne Jones ] #366497 - 09/10/2012 06:09 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Anne Jones I also use THK Embark & Zeal as a part of my dogs' raw diet. I use it as a 'sauce' over meals, as part of meals & sometimes AS a whole meal, if I forget to take something out of the freezer. It is also great for traveling, camping etc with your dogs, as all you need to add is water & you have a comnplete healthy raw meal. :-) Ditto to all this. I would add, even though it has come up here more than once (it bears repeating): to me, THK is such an excellent product that it's worth the acclimatizing to the texture that a few dogs may need. I have run into this twice: dogs who are suspicious at first of the new texture (kind of stew-like). However, adding a little, made thin, to the usual food so the dog discovers that s/he loves the taste, is worth the little bit of trouble. And I always do this in advance with all newly acquired dogs, so I'm not heading off on a car trip or something with THK and a dog who has never tasted it. My dogs all, without exception, salivate now when they smell it rehydrating ....
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Jeffrey Hill wrote 09/10/2012 05:43 PM Re: Question on bone/meat ratio [Re: Barbara Schuler ] #366498 - 09/10/2012 05:43 PM
Jeffrey Hill Webboard User Reg: 02-07-2011 Posts: 105 Loc: Offline	mine sits there and whines while it simmers and then all out explodes when she hears the alarm go off.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 09/10/2012 05:51 PM Re: Question on bone/meat ratio [Re: Barbara Schuler ] #366499 - 09/10/2012 05:51 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Simmers? You mean sits, right? You don't cook it ..... you just add warm water (just warm faucet water ... no stove needed) and let it rehydrate. Not that simmering would actually hurt it, but it would be introducing a much higher temp than the dehydration temp they use that makes it both safe (from raw-food pathogens) and dry but doesn't cook it. Simmering would make it cooked rather than rehydrated. Like the difference between dehydrating, say, herbs, in a dehydrator, and baking them in an oven.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 09/11/2012 10:55 AM Re: Question on bone/meat ratio [Re: Jeffrey Hill ] #366501 - 09/11/2012 10:55 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Jeffrey Hill mine sits there and whines .... and then all out explodes when she hears the alarm go off. This is similar to all of my dogs' reactions to the smell of THK. They LOVE it.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 09/10/2012 06:06 PM Re: Question on bone/meat ratio [Re: Barbara Schuler ] #366502 - 09/10/2012 06:06 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	This may sound a tad off-the-point, but it is a consideration for me that the THK products are so light in weight .... shipping weight. ETA And oops, I guess we did get a little off topic from "Bone/Meat Ratio." LOL But the variety allowed by these products makes varied raw feeding so much simpler. Edited by Connie Sutherland (09/10/2012 06:06 PM) Edit reason: ETA
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Connie Sutherland wrote 09/10/2012 06:22 PM Re: Question on bone/meat ratio [Re: Jeffrey Hill ] #366504 - 09/10/2012 06:22 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Jeffrey Hill  Quote: Connie Sutherland  Quote: Jeffrey Hill I have been trying to figure out the same thing. I recently switched my dog over to honest kitchen embark, now I want to add in a chicken back with it. I just have to figure out how much honest kitchen to give her with that back and we should be all the way on raw from here on out. If the add-in is straight boneless meat, then you need to stick to the box directions for the maximum on meat add-ins. That said, with a chicken back, you are pretty safe, even if you exceed that amount somewhat. (THK as a base is a little different from all RMBs and meat.) Good choice, BTW, whether you use it as a bridge to all raw or whether you give THK with RMBs permanently. JMO! That was my line of thinking on this, especially since I still travel a lot. Right now she is on 3 cups of embark a day and is very happy. I have been sprinkling in a little pro bios to help the change. For once, she hasn't shown any signs of GI stress from a food change. In fact she is taking a big old turkey nap right now. On monday I am going to move her down to 2 cups and alternate a chicken back or turkey neck instead of the third cup and see what happens. Then i might add in a little glucosamine and omega fish oil to her hk mix. For a GI-sensitive dog, you might want to "peel" the first chicken back, adding the skin gradually after seeing the poop. I vote yes on the fish oil (and don't forget the Vitamin E that you give along with any oil supplement).
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Jeffrey Hill wrote 09/10/2012 06:53 PM Re: Question on bone/meat ratio [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #366507 - 09/10/2012 06:53 PM
Jeffrey Hill Webboard User Reg: 02-07-2011 Posts: 105 Loc: Offline	Just re-hydrate. I was going to add vit e, but THK says it already puts a chelated form of that vitamin in there, which is extremely good. I"ll pull the chicken skin back the first feeding, but I think she will have 2ks of probios running through her at that point so I am not really worried
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