ian bunbury wrote 10/28/2012 12:31 PM Re: Quiet Command? [Re: Carol Blumlein ] #368583 - 10/28/2012 12:31 PM
ian bunbury Webboard User Reg: 01-19-2012 Posts: 685 Loc: whistler bc ca Offline	connie , due to my somewhat " detached " residence ( no houses close by , and no traffic of any kind past the house ) i don't get a lot of alert barking . when i do it is most often for bears , at which point out the door goes hector : no more bear ! dogs : the best part of being human
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/28/2012 01:55 PM Re: Quiet Command? [Re: Carol Blumlein ] #368590 - 10/28/2012 01:55 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Oh, gotcha. I get almost all outdoor-influenced barking, so my advice tends to be geared to the person whose dog is barking at something outside.
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Carol Blumlein wrote 10/28/2012 03:24 PM Re: Quiet Command? [Re: Carol Blumlein ] #368598 - 10/28/2012 03:24 PM
Carol Blumlein Webboard User Reg: 03-29-2012 Posts: 421 Loc: Offline	Thanks to all! Will begin today!! I must say, it is getting much easier to teach him stuff at this stage than it has been. Of course no sooner have I said this then he will be a " butt-head"! LOL! Ah, adolescence, "predictable non-predictability"!!!!
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/29/2012 04:13 PM Re: Quiet Command? [Re: Carol Blumlein ] #368639 - 10/29/2012 04:13 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Let us know how it goes, Carol.
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Carol Blumlein wrote 10/31/2012 02:19 PM Re: Quiet Command? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #368715 - 10/31/2012 02:19 PM
Carol Blumlein Webboard User Reg: 03-29-2012 Posts: 421 Loc: Offline	It seems he listens quite well when he is in the house with us. But when in our large fenced yard and something is alerting him ( people or dogs near solid fence) I can't just say "quiet". Plus, I am not sure how to actually get him to bark on command. Do I have to be right next to him when he is barking and mark/ reward?
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ian bunbury wrote 10/31/2012 02:32 PM Re: Quiet Command? [Re: Carol Blumlein ] #368716 - 10/31/2012 02:32 PM
ian bunbury Webboard User Reg: 01-19-2012 Posts: 685 Loc: whistler bc ca Offline	carol the way i do it , i take an opportunity when he is barking to encourage him to " speak " . when he does , i mark and reward . after several reps when he seems to be getting it , and enjoying it usually ( look at me , i'm getting food for having fun ! ) i then quickly grasp his muzzle , command " quiet " and immediately mark and reward him not barking . repeat the procedure several times per session . he'll soon know barking and quiet both means good things for him . dogs : the best part of being human
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Duane Hull wrote 10/31/2012 02:47 PM Re: Quiet Command? [Re: Carol Blumlein ] #368717 - 10/31/2012 02:47 PM
Duane Hull Webboard User Reg: 09-23-2011 Posts: 2692 Loc: Marrero, LA Offline	We teach the bark a little differently. Rather than choosing a random bark and trying to shape and mark it, we encourage a bark and mark that. It's pretty easy to set up on the protection field, but a little different at home. The one complication I'm seeing is that I'm not sure what you want the bark for. Did you mean that, if you WERE in the yard, you would give the quiet command for alert barking? If so, under what circumstance would you command a bark? If you want to teach it just for a parlor trick, you're approach would be different than teaching an alert bark. If you want to teach an alert bark, you can easily set up a scenario, with a little help, where you encourage the dog to bark at something strange. Be careful what you ask for; you might get more than you asked for. The ONLY time I would teach a bark is for protection training. If I'm depending on a dog to alert me, I feel like it needs to be one that will do so instinctively. Encouraging some dogs can give them a sense of entitlement. All JMO. Sadie
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Carol Blumlein wrote 10/31/2012 07:58 PM Re: Quiet Command? [Re: Carol Blumlein ] #368731 - 10/31/2012 07:58 PM
Carol Blumlein Webboard User Reg: 03-29-2012 Posts: 421 Loc: Offline	No, Duane~ I am trying to teach "no bark"!! He does his warning shtick quite well!! But I would like him to stop on command after I check and say OK. So it was suggested that I teach bark/ no bark.
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Duane Hull wrote 10/31/2012 08:36 PM Re: Quiet Command? [Re: Carol Blumlein ] #368732 - 10/31/2012 08:36 PM
Duane Hull Webboard User Reg: 09-23-2011 Posts: 2692 Loc: Marrero, LA Offline	Okay... got it now. I've never tried that approach. I would think you might lose the alert bark that way, but if you don't need it, no big loss. I've always wanted the alert, so I just taught a "be quiet", which started as a "no" (which all of my dogs learn from the outset). It usually evolves into an "ok, I got ya" or something off-hand as the dog learns what is expected. You can't control what the dog does in the yard, but if he's inside a lot, he should catch on purty quick. "Leave it" is also another good command, as it includes "stop alerting" in its' context. ETA: forgot to mention you might have to threaten him a few times in the beginning. Edited by Duane Hull (10/31/2012 08:36 PM) Edit reason: eta Sadie
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/31/2012 09:18 PM Re: Quiet Command? [Re: Duane Hull ] #368734 - 10/31/2012 09:18 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	"Okay... got it now." I don't "got it now" .... LOL I am a little lost, I think. Quote: No, Duane~I am trying to teach "no bark"!! He does his warning shtick quite well!! But I would like him to stop on command after I check and say OK. It seems he listens quite well when he is in the house with us. But when in our large fenced yard and something is alerting him ( people or dogs near solid fence) I can't just say "quiet". Plus, I am not sure how to actually get him to bark on command. Do I have to be right next to him when he is barking and mark/ reward? So you have alert bark and he responds to quiet in the house, but the problem is only in the yard? Is that it? Because for me, it works exactly the same way. I must go, I must check, and I must give the same "it's OK" signal, whether it's inside or outside. And I do do that, without fail, because with three, consistency is crucial. Well, it's crucial anyway. And no, I didn't lose the alert bark because I taught that it was good, but had to stop after I have given the "all clear" signal. To me, that means I have to check every time and give the signal every time. Anything else would indeed risk losing the alert bark, IMO, as the dog perceives that you just want no barking, period. http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=28600&page=1#311034 QUOTE: "IMHO, this is a process that requires you to investigate every single time and to use a very calm release after you investigate."
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