 Re: First week of marker training- const. crit. please
[Re: John Vanek ]
#368605 - 10/28/2012 04:41 PM |
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Thanks guys! Now, as to your responses:
Down: He was doing it wonderfully the last few days, I have no idea why he wasn't doing it today.
OK: I didn't use this "instead of" yes, but as a release from the "wait." If this isn't ideal, I can change this.
I'll try to shorten the sessions and reward after each command. I was keeping them under a minute, but he would just follow me around and offer behaviors, so I started making them around 2 minutes, like seen in the video.
Again, thank your for all your observations and suggestions.
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Re: First week of marker training- const. crit. please
[Re: John Vanek ]
#368606 - 10/28/2012 06:16 PM |
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What was the "wait" meant to command?
I would simply say that the marker (terminal bridge) is always the same word if you use a verbal marker, but I'd better wait to understand the "wait" command before I jump in with both feet. :-)
Isn't it great that he gets it so soon and already follows you and offers his repertoire! Isn't it wonderful to have a dog who loves training?
If I could offer a suggestion, I think I'd aim for more upbeat sessions, but shorter. Even if there's only a couple of minutes in between, I believe that it's better at this age and stage. It's so easy to go too long for him AND for you!  You want to end (1) on a high note and (2) with him wanting more.
JMO!
You got good feedback, and you are doing a good job!
Thank you for posting marker videos.
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Re: First week of marker training- const. crit. please
[Re: Carol Blumlein ]
#368607 - 10/28/2012 06:24 PM |
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.... I realized I had been getting WAY too tense about the right and wrong I was doing.
One of the best things about marker training is that it's hard to do training damage that isn't easily fixed (IMO).
I'd way rather give an extra m/r than an unfair correction.
And it is so much fun for both of you when you relax. One thing that might help is to remember to end every session on a high note, always giving a well-known command that you know will earn a mark/reward. JMO!
Also, if I feel tense or frustrated, I know it's time for that final upbeat command and then the end of the session.
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Re: First week of marker training- const. crit. please
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#368608 - 10/28/2012 06:28 PM |
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From what I see, John is using "wait" and "ok" the same way I do. It has worked well for me, and the fact that the pup already understands them (or so it appears) shows wonderful aptitude. IMHO, they are off to a great start.
ETA: You will have lots of time to work on individual behaviors, i.e. "down", in the next phase of training. Your focus right now is imprinting the communication system.
Edited by Duane Hull (10/28/2012 06:28 PM)
Edit reason: eta
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Re: First week of marker training- const. crit. please
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#368612 - 10/28/2012 11:25 PM |
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Thanks again guys! I appreciate all the responses.
Do your dogs have a "favorite" command? Carlin seems to LOVE "paw," as he will do this one with more enthusiasm than the others. Sometimes he uses his left, sometimes his right, and sometimes he jumps with TWO paws. In the future I'd like to get this command to be more specific, with different commands for left, right, and double, but I keep getting ahead of myself and forgetting I've only had him for a week!
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Re: First week of marker training- const. crit. please
[Re: John Vanek ]
#368613 - 10/29/2012 12:16 AM |
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Looks like your off to a nice start!
if you want to proof those commands give them with you back turned. You'd be amaized how much that can mess with the dog's head. Also put out you hand for a "touch" but give a sit command. body language is huge for a dog.
Maybe not for a pup just yet but definitely a bit later on.
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Re: First week of marker training- const. crit. please
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#368627 - 10/29/2012 11:26 AM |
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With the touch command, I found that you are marking "yes" slightly off time. The mark should come when he touches. This happened the first few times , but later on it was OK.
He looks very very cute
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Re: First week of marker training- const. crit. please
[Re: Ramachandran Subramanian ]
#368629 - 10/29/2012 11:45 AM |
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@Ram:
Yes, I noticed that too! I'm trying to work on my timing. This is the first dog I've marker trained, and now I understand how when Michael Ellis and Ed say that marker training is simple but it isn't easy.
@Connie:
How would you suggest I make it more upbeat? Get silly with him AFTER I mark? I can do that, I'm a big goof with him. And perhaps play some tug in between sessions?
@Ian:
I need to remember to him have move to get the reward. He LOVES sitting, and I think his foster home had him sit for everything, as he offers this behavior all the time. I actually have trouble getting him to stay standing to take rewards; even after luring him with the reward after a YES, he will sit to take it.
Thanks again guys! While we wait out this hurricane, I'm going to try and put "watch" on command. He is really great at looking at me, but I have a problem where he rarely DOESN'T look at me, so it's hard to cue him to do so!
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Re: First week of marker training- const. crit. please
[Re: John Vanek ]
#368630 - 10/29/2012 12:00 PM |
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Thanks again guys! While we wait out this hurricane, I'm going to try and put "watch" on command. He is really great at looking at me, but I have a problem where he rarely DOESN'T look at me, so it's hard to cue him to do so!
As far as the "watch"; I think you mean the same thing I use "look" for. Do not mark until he looks in your eyes. Every time he looks in your eyes, mark. After he will do it on command, have him hold it for a second, and build on that. DO NOT mark for less than full in the eyes.
Wishing you the best for Sandy...keep the bottom side down.
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Re: First week of marker training- const. crit. please
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#368631 - 10/29/2012 12:13 PM |
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As far as the "watch"; I think you mean the same thing I use "look" for. Do not mark until he looks in your eyes. Every time he looks in your eyes, mark. After he will do it on command, have him hold it for a second, and build on that. DO NOT mark for less than full in the eyes.
Wishing you the best for Sandy...keep the bottom side down.
Yes, for "Watch" I mean look at me in the eyes. He is really great at this already, we do this little game where I hold food in both my hands, but he doesn't get any until he looks at my face. My problem is actually making this a command, as he is looking at my face ALL THE TIME haha, so it's hard for me say a command before he looks at me.
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