Anne Jones Webboard User Reg: 04-29-2004
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The recall is something you want your dog to do because he WANTS to come to you. If you are punishing a dog that is learning a recall especially under distraction & a young dog at that...I would NOT use corrections. I would make myself the most interesting thing in the whole world so that my dog WANTS to come running to me & that I have great things to give him when he does. Be it interaction(play with a ball or tug) or treats.
Corrections are for WAY down the road when totally proofed under all distractions. If you start with too many corrections way too early...you will be going down an ugly road increasingly harder & more frequent corrections & the dog will not want to come to you or you will turn him off or worse yet, shut him down. Don't be very quick at all to correct. He is young & learning. I don't think that it is really an age blowing you off kind of thing at this point. JMO...FWIW
Ok I see. By the way. The trainers have been telling me to praise more and be more animated in general. Its not an ego thing. Its just not my nature to be that way but I'm working on it.
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005
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^^^^ This is so important! (Ann's post above about the dog WANTING to come to you.)
I don't want anything bad connected to the recall that I am teaching. I want my dog to hear me call and be thrilled, to whip around and dash to me because to hear me call him is such a great thing.
I deliberately use the recall that I'm teaching for every good thing, all day long --- indoors too. The recall become inextricably linked to "good stuff."
For example, I don't call the dog for medicine -- I go get him. I never ever call him to me and then correct him, no matter how slowly or otherwise poorly he responded.
This most important of all commands is well worth the effort.
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005
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And this:
"Corrections are for WAY down the road when totally proofed under all distractions. If you start with too many corrections way too early...you will be going down an ugly road increasingly harder & more frequent corrections & the dog will not want to come to you or you will turn him off or worse yet, shut him down. Don't be very quick at all to correct. He is young & learning. I don't think that it is really an age blowing you off kind of thing at this point."
Is the dog running away in anticipation of another toss?
Have you ever played two ball with him?
Have you ever corrected him for NOT bringing the ball to your hand?
Bob, I play two ball with him a lot but I'm very sure he was not anticipating the other ball. Just the way he ran from me was like "I'm gonna go over here and check something out". No, I have never corrected him for anything while playing ball.
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Don't call him back to you. Follow him to the reward and play with him there. Could just be confusion from mixing too many things in as far as how it appears to him.
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Quote: steve strom
Don't call him back to you. Follow him to the reward and play with him there. Could just be confusion from mixing too many things in as far as how it appears to him.
I agree. Send-out has zero to do with a retrieve. You can easily teach the recall later.
I don't even worry about the recall portion, as my dog has a very enthusiastic recall.
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Quote: Duane Hull
Quote: steve strom
Don't call him back to you. Follow him to the reward and play with him there. Could just be confusion from mixing too many things in as far as how it appears to him.
I agree. Send-out has zero to do with a retrieve. You can easily teach the recall later.
I don't even worry about the recall portion, as my dog has a very enthusiastic recall.
If you're sending him out to a toy, its based on a retrieve. It changes later to a directional obedience where he understands to run a straight line away from you. Thats a lot of work away from this though.
Anne Jones Webboard User Reg: 04-29-2004
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DITTO on what Steve said above.
As I stated earlier....the recall, send out,retrieve & down in motion are all separate exercises & should all be trained individually & put together after each piece is totally solid.
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