Re: MINUTES of the WUSV Sept 3, 2012 Ulm
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#374704 - 03/07/2013 05:02 PM |
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No I don't but feel free if you do .. it is part of this thread
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Re: MINUTES of the WUSV Sept 3, 2012 Ulm
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#374728 - 03/08/2013 05:51 AM |
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Boys and Girls,
Mr. Finley is a man on a mission. Perhaps a mission of conversion.
Mr. Finley likes to post. He sees wrongs and wants to shine the light of his views of how to make things right.
We are under no obligation to respond or otherwise encourage him to expand his posts.
Therefore, if Mr. Finley posts, and no one responds, the posts will be his comments, opinions, frustrations, and or anger, and his alone.
Seems fair. Seems uniquely American. Kinda like a boycott. I wish Mr. Finley good luck.
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Re: MINUTES of the WUSV Sept 3, 2012 Ulm
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#374739 - 03/08/2013 08:26 AM |
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If I have maliciously and with forethought told lies about what happened in Ulm in 2012 at the WUSV meeting then you are free to seek legal counsel, if I have told the truth then you are free to ignore the truth.
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Re: MINUTES of the WUSV Sept 3, 2012 Ulm
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#374745 - 03/08/2013 12:09 PM |
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The USCA has agreed to accept the WUSV constitution and rules and also to acknowledge the fact that the GSDCA-WDA exists and the members have SV judges scores in their score books. How is this different than 2003 when the USCA started this whole mess?? Can't wait to see how the USCA board and leadership tries to "spin" this.
Dear GSDCA-WDA Members:
Jim Alloway (USCA President) flew to Germany to meet with Dr. Wolfgang Henke (WUSV/SV President) this morning to discuss Dr. Henke's recent letter to USCA. The meeting concluded with a clear confirmation to Mr. Alloway that GSDCA and WDA are considered a WUSV member and are entitled to all rights and privileges as any other WUSV Member Club. Mr. Alloway agreed to comply with the WUSV Constitution and to advise his membership of this information as soon as he returns to the U.S.
I will keep all of you advised of any further developments.
Daniel Yee
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GSDCA-WDA
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Re: MINUTES of the WUSV Sept 3, 2012 Ulm
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#374932 - 03/12/2013 05:23 PM |
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Isnt this good news Charles? Its all been resolved amicably. Results of the meeting:
The WUSV confirmed that they view the GSDCA and WDA as the same organization. They understand that legally they are separate organizations but they view as the same and they would like USCA to also. They want the GSD organizations to work together and both to stop fighting with each other. Other countries with a similar situation have been working cooperatively since 2010 (or earlier), when the provision in the WUSV Constitution was first ratified.
Each organization is to accept the scorebooks, titles, and ratings from the other.
Each organization is to allow entry into club events so long as the bearer of the scorebook is a member of USCA, GSDCA, or WDA.
USCA will accept all WDA judges' titles and ratings. WDA will reciprocate.
Each organization may charge a reasonable fee to enter one another's events so long as that fee is "reasonable and not intended to punish or discourage participation." We are working with the WDA to establish this fee. USCA's fee will be the same for all non-members and USCA will drop any / all scorebook certification fees / processes.
Because each organization still sends 10 dogs to the Qualification Trial, each organization may limit participation at championships to members only as this is part of the qualification process and a member benefit.
CLUBS MAY NOT DENY ENTRY INTO THEIR EVENTS BASED SOLEY ON CLUB AFFILIATION."
Each organization may reserve spots to their organization's members in the event of a full trial. Example (if a WDA club hosting a trial has only 1 spot open, they may hold that spot for a WDA member and vice versa).
Now you can go from bubba boo hooing, to bubba woo hooing! We can all look forward to seeing those devine hearts and courageous minds have fun trialing!
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Re: MINUTES of the WUSV Sept 3, 2012 Ulm
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#374939 - 03/12/2013 10:42 PM |
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This is not the entire fairy tale just the happy ending from Alloway's side of the trip report. Time will tell if words match conduct. The WDA has always accepted USCA members and their score books with SV judges scores and never charged an additional entry fee because they were USCA so the reciprocity is not needed on the WDA's part. The WDA did the right thing without a "do or die" letter. All that blubber from Alloway about missed communication that you left out I assume is because you knew it was crap?? I am happy that the USCA has agreed to obey the constitution of the WUSV after the USCA had exhausted all other possibilities.
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Re: MINUTES of the WUSV Sept 3, 2012 Ulm
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#374945 - 03/13/2013 08:39 AM |
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because they were USCA so the reciprocity is not needed on the WDA's part.
Not entirely true... The USCA built a huge trialing infrastructure on the "outrageously high" membership fees it charged its own members, and didn't feel like anyone should get a free ride on its members' dime.
The WDA is not even a member of the WUSV. They rode in on GSDCA's coattails.
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Re: MINUTES of the WUSV Sept 3, 2012 Ulm
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#374946 - 03/13/2013 09:09 AM |
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For the record those fees were not paid exclusively by swamp collie owners. Plenty of alternate breed owners put their work, time, money and sweat into the UScA only to slowly have opportunities erode through the years. They got caught in the crosshairs of the ongoing battle between themselves and the WDA.
Really touching letter and I really hope it comes to fruition but there are a lot of bridges to rebuild and fences to mend. Time will tell but it's going to take a lot more than a letter to regain my membership.
Keith Jenkins
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Re: MINUTES of the WUSV Sept 3, 2012 Ulm
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There are lots of alternative breed owners in my club, including Rottweilers. All of them have scorebooks stamped by the USCA. What opportunities have been eroded?
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Re: MINUTES of the WUSV Sept 3, 2012 Ulm
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#374948 - 03/13/2013 10:56 AM |
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Let's see through the years alternate breed owners lost the ability to become judges. Up until less than 10 years ago you could become a judge if you met the requirements with any breed dog. Up until a few years back we had the NA's and HOT Championships open to all breeds. Now we only have the WDC. Since the JA was put in place alternate breed owners, most of whom don't have a dog in this fight, who at one point were able to train and belong to any club they want, were forced to choose an allegiance. Sorry but if your breed standard requires 3 legs and polka-dots that's your business but when it comes down to the sport this ongoing feud with the WDA has been a lose lose situation in my eyes.
Keith Jenkins
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Breitta v. Schwarzen Kobold BH,TR1
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