 Re: Help with ocaisonal agression towards strangers
[Re: andrew harris ]
#375269 - 03/17/2013 04:32 PM |
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Andrew, how many years did it take you to realize you had no ob control over your pack?
That fits right in with what you have done in the O.P. here, and each of these replies is on point:
- I can not imagine a less responsible action than to expose one of your dogs, forget two, to the possibility, repeated for emphasis 'the possibility' of an aggressive dog. Incredible. On what planet is such a 'training' or 'dog assessment' approach used?
- You took two bitches to beat him down in his own home!
- You asked for insights. Well, one might be to leave your dogs home when you are helping some one assess an aggressive dog. Another might be to seriously consider some of the opinions of the seasoned posters who have responded to you. Yet another might be to think about the possibility that you are, perhaps, not fully competent to help others with their dog issues.
- If you live for your dogs, how could you occasion your dogs to such a situation?
- You are the last person that should be giving anyone training advise. In fact the thought of that seriously worries me.
- The owner of the dogs should join the board and post her questions. ... I hope she does. I know she will get help. I hope that you encourage her to do so.
- To walk into another dog's house with a strange dog(s) is an invite for disaster.
AND YOU LEFT YOUR DOG THERE! FOR A WEEK.
http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=32569&page=26#374778
On 03/10 you finally posted that you had started to understand that you had no control over your own pack and you "listened intently to everything she said and did. We went through very basic commands."
And then you did this: "I took my dog over to .... help introduce the two with no problems and left the owner with a list of commands that she had now been taught."
YOU LEFT YOUR DOG IN THE HOME OF A PERSON WHO WAS HAVING PROBLEMS WITH HER DOG! YOU LEFT YOUR DOG TO "TRAIN" HER DOG. FOR A WEEK.
".... when asked by one of the breed club's committee members if they could borrow one of my dogs to help influence the sociability of their male dog by having one of my dogs go and stay in the home of the dog so that they could go out together I had no problem in saying yes and choosing the young female as the one to use. I took my dog over to the male dog owners house help introduce the two with no problems and left the owner with a list of commands that she had now been taught."
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Re: Help with ocaisonal agression towards strangers
[Re: Mike Arnold ]
#375270 - 03/17/2013 04:13 PM |
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I would never use one of my dogs in an evaluation of the aggressiveness of another person's dog. Short. Simple.
In a nutshell, that is what I thought you described. If I have misunderstand your posts, Mea culpa.
QUOTE: ... when asked by one of the breed club's committee members if they could borrow one of my dogs to help influence the sociability of their male dog by having one of my dogs go and stay in the home of the dog so that they could go out together I had no problem in saying yes and choosing the young female as the one to use. I took my dog over to the male dog owners house help introduce the two with no problems and left the owner with a list of commands that she had now been taught.
And yes, he took two of his dogs with him for the initial visit.
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Re: Help with ocaisonal agression towards strangers
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#375271 - 03/17/2013 04:26 PM |
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I think with all this luck I have been told about by the many "experts " on here I should be winning the lottery lol.
Being an accountant I am appreciative of formal qualifications gained in a field one wants to call themselves "experts".When I reveiw profiles of some posters here giving advice I note the lack of the latter that may be because they just have not got round to adding the information or perhaps they just do not have the formal qualifications.
You may argue that why do I join such a forum,Well I was interested to get input from individuals that are fanatical about dog training;indeed it was such input that made me seek a trainer and the type of trainer that would be of most benefit .I believe I found the best suited type of trainer to suit the requirements so many on here highlighted and one that was not only understanding and competent but highly qualified.
This is not a forum of professional trainers, but merely experienced (in some cases, very experienced) dog owners and handlers. I don't recall anyone telling you that they were an expert.
As you said, YOU came here.
As you said, most of us advised you to find a professional trainer.
So why would you come here criticizing the absence of what you consider proper credentials?
Not so much the lack of credentials more from the stand point that they lack the flexibility in accepting opinions that differ from what thy have had instilled into themselves based on their own experiences and knowledge gained through their extensive exposure and knowledge in the arena of dog training and ownership.I don't think one size fits all and that there are occasionally exceptions to the rules .
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Re: Help with ocaisonal agression towards strangers
[Re: andrew harris ]
#375272 - 03/17/2013 04:22 PM |
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" ... it is not possible to give 100% accurate advice based on written words or even short video clips,this can only be done when actually meeting the dog/s and their owner within their own enviroment and only a flavour of perception can be taken from poster's posts and the replies from posters given in response to them."
I 100% do not believe that an experienced dog trainer told you that it was a good plan to leave your dog for a week to be some kind of example to a dog with aggression issues.
When you went to see a trainer and were finally told that you had no ob control over your pack, this echoed what you had been told here over and over and over. You took in this information and began to ob train your dogs .... excellent!
Then this bit of irresponsibility, rivaled only by some of your "off leash pack in public" early
videos. 
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Re: Help with ocaisonal agression towards strangers
[Re: andrew harris ]
#375273 - 03/17/2013 04:28 PM |
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I think with all this luck I have been told about by the many "experts " on here I should be winning the lottery lol.
Being an accountant I am appreciative of formal qualifications gained in a field one wants to call themselves "experts".When I reveiw profiles of some posters here giving advice I note the lack of the latter that may be because they just have not got round to adding the information or perhaps they just do not have the formal qualifications.
You may argue that why do I join such a forum,Well I was interested to get input from individuals that are fanatical about dog training;indeed it was such input that made me seek a trainer and the type of trainer that would be of most benefit.I believe I found the best suited type of trainer to suit the requirements so many on here highlighted and one that was not only understanding and competent but highly qualified.
This is not a forum of professional trainers, but merely experienced (in some cases, very experienced) dog owners and handlers. I don't recall anyone telling you that they were an expert.
As you said, YOU came here.
As you said, most of us advised you to find a professional trainer.
So why would you come here criticizing the absence of what you consider proper credentials?
Not so much the lack of credentials more from the stand point that they lack the flexibility in accepting opinions that differ from what thy have had instilled into themselves based on their own experiences and knowledge gained through their extensive exposure and knowledge in the arena of dog training and ownership.I don't think one size fits all and that there are occasionally exceptions to the rules.
None of the advice you received here was unsolicited (by you). It was all on-point. YOU CAME HERE ASKING FOR ADVICE. YOU GOT THE CORRECT ADVICE. You don't want my input, don't ask!
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Re: Help with ocaisonal agression towards strangers
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#375274 - 03/17/2013 04:27 PM |
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... Any insights into what could be going on here?
The owner of the dogs should join the board and post her questions.
I hope she does. I know she will get help. I hope that you encourage her to do so. |
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Re: Help with ocaisonal agression towards strangers
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#375275 - 03/17/2013 04:34 PM |
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I think with all this luck I have been told about by the many "experts " on here I should be winning the lottery lol.
Being an accountant I am appreciative of formal qualifications gained in a field one wants to call themselves "experts".When I reveiw profiles of some posters here giving advice I note the lack of the latter that may be because they just have not got round to adding the information or perhaps they just do not have the formal qualifications.
You may argue that why do I join such a forum,Well I was interested to get input from individuals that are fanatical about dog training;indeed it was such input that made me seek a trainer and the type of trainer that would be of most benefit.I believe I found the best suited type of trainer to suit the requirements so many on here highlighted and one that was not only understanding and competent but highly qualified.
This is not a forum of professional trainers, but merely experienced (in some cases, very experienced) dog owners and handlers. I don't recall anyone telling you that they were an expert.
As you said, YOU came here.
As you said, most of us advised you to find a professional trainer.
So why would you come here criticizing the absence of what you consider proper credentials?
Not so much thier lack of credentials more the position based on their extensive knowledge of training within he arena of dog ownership to be more flexible and less from a standpoint of on size its all,there is always exceptions to the rules even if it is not immediately obvious as to why and those repeated examples described as"luck".Additionally none of us can say we are right all the time ,even the best admit to still learning and some times even the most qualified and experienced can be wrong or misunderstand and judge incorrectly.
"We call this system Marker Training. It has evolved into main stream dog training here in America since the early 1990's. Like many trainers I was slow to embrace the concepts of marker training. I had been training dogs for 30 years when marker training first started. I spent the 1990's telling people it was stupid. Well the only stupid one was myself because I never took the time to really study the training system and learned how to apply it to the areas of dog training I had an interest in."
Need I say more.The value and respect gained from being flexible and demonstrating publicly those qualities speaks for itself and this site is a pheonix of just that philosophy.
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Re: Help with ocaisonal agression towards strangers
[Re: Mike Arnold ]
#375276 - 03/17/2013 04:42 PM |
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Good afternoon Andrew,
A beautiful if chilly day here.
I would never use one of my dogs in an evaluation of the aggressiveness of another person's dog. Short. Simple.
In a nutshell, that is what I thought you described. If I have misunderstand your posts, Mea culpa.
If you described a situation where, cutting to the chase, you were asked to use your dog or dogs to assist in the evaluation of the aggressiveness of another person's dog, and you agreed to do so, under the conditions you described, I would again assert that such a course of action is not and was not wise.
But that's just me. And I may have completely misunderstood your posts, misinterpreted your representations, judged inaccurately your intentions, and in a fit of knee jerk reaction responded boorishly. If that is the case, I should be, deservedly, criticized. And I note again, mea culpa.
But if not
Not assess influence the social interaction of the dog as mine are highly social to a point most are not accepting of the level of social interaction I allow but never, either by luck or othrwise,shown any overly agressive behaviours in any situation even tho my control may be not at the level of some on here
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Re: Help with ocaisonal agression towards strangers
[Re: andrew harris ]
#375277 - 03/17/2013 04:46 PM |
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"We call this system Marker Training. It has evolved into main stream dog training here in America since the early 1990's. Like many trainers I was slow to embrace the concepts of marker training. I had been training dogs for 30 years when marker training first started. I spent the 1990's telling people it was stupid. Well the only stupid one was myself because I never took the time to really study the training system and learned how to apply it to the areas of dog training I had an interest in." ... Need I say more.
How does marker training relate to dropping your dog off at the home of a person with a problem dog and leaving her there for a week?
"Not assess influence the social interaction of the dog "
By leaving your dog, who recently acquired a few basic ob commands, at the home of the problem dog?
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Re: Help with ocaisonal agression towards strangers
[Re: andrew harris ]
#375278 - 03/17/2013 04:45 PM |
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You can quote anyone you want and go to any obedience trainer in the world. I don't care. If I never owned a dog in my life, I would still know you can't control all those dogs if something goes wrong, and in life, you should respect the fact that something can always go wrong.
And I can do my own taxes, too.
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