Our Vet recommended 3 weeks on this formula and then one week on one called "Kidney Biotics." For our Peke the dosage is 5 drops of the Pee Pee Formula or 3 of the Kidney Biotics so the cost, although the drops are rather expensive, is manageable for us.
We get both at one of the local pet health food stores we have in the area.
Milk thistle supports the liver. Our dog does get a couple drops in the morning.
Thank you Connie. I definitely need to do some printing and send her some of these things, especially the info on supplements so she can back herself up at the vet.
But the two articles seemingly contradict themselves on salt recommendations. That is what we are finding face to face. Her vet says do it, and mine says don't.
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Well, one is for it, and one is not particularly against it. I think both are a little ambivalent.
2ndChance says:
There are several ways that you can increase your dog’s water consumption. They include feeding you dog only canned, frozen or home-cooked diets, moderately increasing the amount of salt in your dog’s diet .... I can not tell you how much salt to add. But I would certainly add a moderate amount before I would resort to hydrochlorothiazide diuretic treatment when I could not keep my pet’s urine specific gravity low without it. I always suggest my clients feed their pets human, supermarket food - not dog food. You can read some suggestions here . When you do that, you can taste the food. Broiled roast beef, hamburger or skinless chicken has about 50- 60mg of salt naturally per 100 grams of meat. There would certainly be no problem if you doubled or tripled that amount. END
And Mary Strauss says:
One way to encourage dogs to increase their water consumption is to add salt to their food, but salt is controversial when it comes to calcium oxalate uroliths. Increasing dietary salt encourages the kidneys to excrete more calcium, raising urinary calcium levels.
One might predict that increased sodium would therefore lead to increased calcium oxalate formation, but that isn’t necessarily true. In a 2003 study, dogs were fed dry diets containing varying amounts of sodium. The diets that contained 300 mg sodium (about 1/8 teaspoon salt) per 100 calories significantly reduced urinary calcium oxalate supersaturation over diets containing 60 mg or even 200 mg sodium per 100 calories. Increased fluid consumption resulting from the thirst generated by additional salt probably offset the increase in calcium excretion. A human retrospective study published in 2009 concluded, “Increasing urine sodium does not appear to increase the risk of calcium oxalate nephrolithiasis (kidney stones).”
Bean, however, does not add salt to food. The majority of human studies indicate that adding salt is inadvisable, and many who elected to apply the FuzzerFood regimen for their own dogs were unsuccessful in attempts to dissolve or prevent recurrence of calcium oxalate stones when they departed from the guidelines Bean developed for her own dogs. END
Note that what the 2ndChance author is talking about is a TINY amount of salt. He's talking about doubling the natural 60 mg per 3.5 ounces (100 g) of meat.
(1 teaspoon of salt, for example, is about 2,300 mg sodium.)
Is your mother successful about getting her dog to drink and pee frequently? That might be what I'd use as part of a decision on salt.
Again, this flushing is probably the ultimate priority, based on everything I've ever read about these stones. Her vet would know this. Could he be getting feedback that makes him want to increase the dog's water intake (and peeing) more than what it is? This would be where I'd focus first, I think.
The only time he doesn''t pee as often as he should is the rare time he has to stay home alone with Laverne. He refuses to pee for him no matter how long they stay out. I did say he runs the house, right?
I would be skeptical on his recommendations if he sees a dog who is doing great, and recommends a crappy supplement that will do more harm than good.
Maybe she can try a little extra and see how that works with his drinking.
The stress of having people constantly in to visit Laverne has him having digestive issues. I said put him in a bedroom but he barks constantly in a crate and scratches doors if locked in a room. I know what you are going to say, but it isn't going to happen.
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005
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A stone former needs more water and peeing than other dogs.
Is he getting B6 and E? And fish oil?
About the visitors: Could visitor time be a time when the dog is outside on leash with your mother? Could he be offered baited water 30 minutes before the visitor arrives, then be walked (even around the yard) when they arrive?
This could accomplish two positive things: more flushing and less visitor stress.
PS
Many vets would recommend a multi when a dog is on home-cooked.
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