Either way works. You just have to trade for something of higher value to the dog.

I start this training by trading a high value food treat for a low-value toy. Get that down before moving on to expecting the release of a high value thing.

 Quote: Connie Sutherland

Yeah, another case of "I was skimming and everyone should ignore my stupid post" ...


I thought she was trading toy for toy ... "two-toy."



Hmmm. It can't be my advanced .. uh .. maturity.

Must be something else.

Ha-Ha, no worries, and your posts are ones I never ignore (never mind a little Senoir Moment every once in while) LOL

Yes in deed she anticipate the treat... thats my fault for the long training with food D: but now im trying for them to enjoy the play with me, today we got a nice play with a ball actually, the only trouble with that was when we played tug before the next throw..... i think i dont need to explain what happened, but to be clear both of my hands and her mouth on the ball was not a good idea....but we managed to pull that over so i tugged with one hand.
I want to actually "trade" the ball(that aparently she loves) for the tug should i start playing with the ball and in middle of action pull the tug and throw for her or should i start with tug and throw the ball if she plays?
And thanks all for the helpfull information

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If the dog enjoys the game of tug that much then just teach the out with markers and let a regrip be the reward. It's a common method in schutzhund for teaching the out. Done correctly the dog quickly learns that the "out" command will get a rebite.

Training with a ball for the reward can work but once the dog has the ball then YOUR value goes down. I like to be a part of the reward as in another game of tug.

 Quote: Bob Scott

...once the dog has the ball then YOUR value goes down...

Not to put too fine a point on the above, but I would say this is something that most women learn early-on with "dawgs", LOL -- Present company excluded, of course !!!

Pittbulls like neos not only have very powerful bite but are predisposed to grabbing and holding.I never play tug with my neos until they are at least 3 only because I don't want to encourage that kind of behaviour even in a playful way until I have reached the level of bonding and mutually understanding with the dog.If I were interested in bite work I am sure I would have to engage that part of the dog much earlier.That being said I have realied that intensity gives back intensity and by simply relaxing my grip the dog recipricates if you look at the beginning of the video you can see what I am trying to say.I never used treats to do this the dog just did it when I asked him to release.

For those that don't always understand my training methods there is a down and stay command on the other dog and the dog stays for as long as I want till I release her and she is still there almost 2 mins later when I do treat her as well as the dog I am working with but I don't continually treat only when I feel I want to which is when I feel the dog has been compliant for a period of time and in this case that period is several minutes and the dogs do not know when they will receive a food reward'Nor do I trade or distract to get a release.

Edited by Connie Sutherland (07/18/2013 12:18 PM)
Edit reason: The thread is not about down or stay

Pit bull type dogs are terriers. Neos are mastiffs. It's like calling a Maple tree an Oak. You're not going to get syrup out of an Oak tree. They are two very different types of dog. A correct-type pit bull (of any of the 'pit bull' breeds) will be human-centric and you don't have to wait for full maturity for the dog to be fully bonded. I dare say a Neo wouldn't be wagging his tail and absolutely thrilled to be in the company of strangers after being subjected to horrific abuse, but many pit bull types really are absolutely thrilled to be around strangers while also in agonizing pain.

Terriers are the vermin control of the dog world. What your dog is doing is perfectly normal for her type, even though many breeds have a 'bite and hold' trait. If she won't reengage the advice you've been given is really helpful.

Bob, she enjoys tugging but she kind of love her green ball, is the type that is big and soft plastic, ive tryed to get her into the tug i have (17 inc aprox) but she goes for the handles D:.
Samantha wich of the advices ive been given?
BTW she enjoys a lot to tug, then for me to throw the toy for her to fetch; but more that often she doesnt bring it back to keep playing, she goes and get all "my toy" chew on it a min or two and the just stay there and watch me :S im i playing to much or should i stop throwing the toy?
and Andrew you have beautiful mastins there

The advice that suggested ways to get her to engage with you. I especially like (and use) the method of teaching the out for a rebite. My dogs are gaga over tugging on their toy because once they let go they know we can keep playing.