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The only time she moves is between positions. when I ask her to stand from down, she creeps a little.
Maybe use a board and a few stakes so it can be put on edge to make a bigger barrier?
Interesting! I had the same problem with my dog (creeping when changing position). My dog also whines a tad in a long down if the distraction is heavy and my distance is too great. I tried using barriers to stop the creeping, and they only made her more nervous, which in turn made her efforts to avoid the barrier more exaggerated. If the barrier was too large, she would attempt to go around it.
This lead me to believe that it was a nervous condition, possibly a supermild manifestation of separation anxiety, so I stopped using the barriers. What worked was the proofing and gradual adding of distance and distraction (desensitizing) as described by Ian and Bob. It is a long process and has really tried my patience, but it is paying off, as her position changes have improved quite a bit since I made the change.
The positions can also be done on something like a grooming table, picnic table, etc. The dog has to stay put in doing a stand from the down if it's at the edge of a table, etc.
Your building muscle memory so the dog will have no inclination to move forward once it's off the table.
Since it's already developed the habit it will take a bit longer of course.
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005
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... What worked was the proofing and gradual adding of distance and distraction .... It is a long process and has really tried my patience, but it is paying off, as her position changes have improved quite a bit since I made the change.
And, in fact, it always works. Also, it's the only thing that "works" for every basic ob position, all basic ob commands, all training styles ....
This is "foundation." This is what good training is about, and where we have often failed (all of us, I betcha) when we have to remind ourselves "Let the trainer examine himself when the dog makes a mistake or does not understand the exercise, or fails in obedience, and let him ask 'Where am I at fault?' "
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My fav dog training quote by Max!
Me too, Bob.
Embarrassingly, I was not familiar with it until I received the t-shirt from your SchH club years ago, and it was printed on the front:
"Let the trainer examine himself when the dog makes a mistake or does not understand the exercise, or fails in obedience, and let him ask 'Where am I at fault?' " - Max von Stephanitz
But I'm familiar with it now! And the sentiment behind is is billboard-true.
We are all so prone to say "but the dog KNOWS this command" and "he's stubborn" and "he's deliberately ignoring me" when what we have overlooked is the basic foundation, including proofing for venue, for distance, for a different "pattern," and for distractions.
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This is what good training is about, and where we have often failed (all of us, I betcha) when we have to remind ourselves "Let the trainer examine himself when the dog makes a mistake or does not understand the exercise, or fails in obedience, and let him ask 'Where am I at fault?' "
And the sentiment behind is is billboard-true. 
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