 Re: crate training?
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#384141 - 10/11/2013 04:32 PM |
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good post connie , lots of good advice in there . . .
i add to it by also alternating very brief periods outside the crate , sort of like a mini reward / change of pace .
pick a moment when the dog is settled , bring her out for just that quick 30 second return trip to the garage ( example ) and then on your return without any fuss , back in the crate .
it's important to either remove the dog before they start to make a fuss , or wait until they settle , even for a minute , if they are making a fuss .
of course you will learn to discriminate between plain whining , and " i really got to get out , now " , but if you are on top of what / when the dog ate , that helps .
and an upset gut isn't unusual for a young dog , so plan the timing of your crate training accordingly .
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Re: crate training?
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#384144 - 10/11/2013 05:56 PM |
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Your puppy is a Malinois. She will need lots of exercise and activity. A little play session before leaving for several hours may also help take the edge off.
At this age, you don't want to push her til she's exhausted, but as she gets older, you will find that a tired dog is a good dog.
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#384150 - 10/11/2013 07:58 PM |
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I went through this with both Malinois pups - both the screaming and the runs/smeared crates. I resorted to taking them everywhere I went and stopping frequently. If I had to leave them while I went into a store, they were crated in the cab (I just bit the bullet and burned the gas for the AC) or in the bed of the truck. If they had an accident, I'd just grab a bucket of water once we got home, clean them up, and take the crate to the car wash. THAT is how I survived it, and they rarely had an accident in their HOME crate. As they got older they stopped messing in their TRUCK crate, too. It helps that I only used plastic for the truck and wire for the house.
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#384155 - 10/11/2013 09:26 PM |
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thanks everyone. She has only been left that long a couple times, my fiancée is usually home when I am not and vice versa. I will just have to try as suggested working slowly up to it. So when I come back do I let her out immediately? She goes so crazy...but shes not whining(she stops when she hears us)...but leaving her longer I feel just stresses her more. I cannot wait til I can tire her out fully, I had wanted an adult dog actually but a pup came up locally so we got her. I really want a dog to bike, hike, run every morning, swim, etc with, so tiring her out wont be too much of a problem once shes older.
I will be getting her into an obedience class as well hopefully soon to teach her some manners and bond with her. Maybe that will help too....
I work at an animal shelter so while annoying cleaning poop doesn't faze me too much, its the barking and stress she seems to be under that's a concern.
I will start a new thread on the loose stools.
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Re: crate training?
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#384157 - 10/11/2013 09:42 PM |
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No, you don't let her out instantly. You hardly even see her when you come in. This is hard, I know, but the more casual and calm you can be about departures and arrivals, the better.
In addition, of course, you do not want to reward anything but calmness from her.
But if she is calm and quiet, not whining, you could come in, calmly, walk around for a second, come back, calmly, and calmly open the crate -- if she is also calm. (Did I mention "calm"?)
If she is not calm, I would not even notice her.
"... my fiance is usually home when I am not and vice versa. "
This means that the 5-hour absences were a sudden shock, then, right?
All the more reason to do the desensitizing work. 
I hope that you're marker training. No better way to bond and build confidence.
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#384158 - 10/11/2013 10:31 PM |
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once again , connie with the good advice . . .
and again , ian with a follow up lol . . . try this variation when she is starting to get the hang of it .
when you come home , if she is calm , walk by the crate , drop in a treat , use your " good " , and then keep walking . do another quick lap and then return to let her out , if she is still quiet , of course .
do variations like this so she just gets used to being in there whether you are there or not , coming or going .
if it seems like i am a bit of a geek about crate training , i admit it . i really think that you will have a better adjusted , more grounded dog if you satisfy his instinctive need for a den .
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#384159 - 10/11/2013 10:38 PM |
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yes I suppose it was a shock, but she starts whining right away...she will be quiet if I say quiet in a firm tone, should I do that or just ignore. She does seem to like her crate just not us leaving.
When we are home though and in the living room she will go in the spare room and sleep on the bed, so if it was separation anxiety wouldn't she wanna be with us all the time?
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#384165 - 10/12/2013 03:23 AM |
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You can make the crate an exciting place for your dog and gradually leave the area. Leerburg has a great crate training section in their puppy video, sorry can't remember the name right now. I helped my dogs get over being closed up in a crate, but rewarding them for being quiet. I ignored them when they cried and reinforced their being quite. we also played games with the crates. I didn't yell at the dog for whinning because even yelling can reinforce their crying. I ignored them. WHen they were in their crate and quiet, I would toss a treat in. It worked well, soon they were very quiet. Now, even if they wake up, they are quiet.
Hope this helps you. love sharon and her pups bindi cody and terra
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#384166 - 10/12/2013 04:37 AM |
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When we are home though and in the living room she will go in the spare room and sleep on the bed, so if it was separation anxiety wouldn't she wanna be with us all the time?
No. As long as you are home with her, she's comfortable. She doesn't have to be in the same room. S/A is not about being stuck to your side; It's about the fear of being abandoned.
When you are going to leave, you crate her, from what I've read. Therefore, if you're not putting her in the crate, she has no reason to be anxious about being separated. The reason that you're getting the advice you are about the crate conditioning is that you need to teach her that being crated doesn't signal you're leaving her (and her subsequent feeling of being left).
I'm no authority on S/A. I just know what's worked for me with several dogs, and not all of them were crated. The key to it was reassuring them, through repetition and soothing techniques, that I would be back. They learned that, just because they were left alone for a little while, it was not the end of the world and I would return. It also helped that we had strong relationships, and in time they trusted me not to abandon them.
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#384173 - 10/12/2013 01:38 PM |
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Thank you both, very helpful, I hope I can help her through this, lots of work but will be worth it to have a non stressed dog I can leave alone. I suppose being given up by her old owners might make it worse. Although we find it funny now when they gave her to us we pretty much just took the leash and walked away and she didn't even look back, she was more interested in our dog. Now I highly doubt someone could walk away with her from us and her not look back looking for us..
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