 Re: Raw feeding question
[Re: Natalie Rynda ]
#384243 - 10/13/2013 12:51 PM |
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Thank you, on my way to the store for sardines))))
Will buy vitamins later, after reading everything first.
Thank you so much for clarifying everything and all the links
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Re: Raw feeding question
[Re: Natalie Rynda ]
#384245 - 10/13/2013 12:56 PM |
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Start small with canned sardines. Pop one (or a half) of spring-water-packed on top like a cherry and observe the resulting poop.
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Re: Raw feeding question
[Re: Natalie Rynda ]
#384246 - 10/13/2013 01:00 PM |
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Also, I guess what I was asking about omegas is, besides the fish oil and the coconut oil, should I give anything else?
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Re: Raw feeding question
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#384248 - 10/13/2013 01:29 PM |
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" I guess what I was asking about omegas is, besides the fish oil and the coconut oil, should I give anything else?"
Which Omega? Probably Omega 3, since you mention fish oil.
Have you read the links? I'm thinking no, and I would be retyping the wheel.
Fish oil and fish (or more broadly, marine sources) are, for all practical purposes at the present time, the main sources for long-chain 3s. (Humans have another source, which is flawed and unreliable .... turning ALA into the long-chain 3s EPA and DHA .... but this has almost nothing to do with dogs, who mostly lack that mechanism.)
I know you didn't read the link to my coconut oil post, because you wouldn't be saying that you'd be giving it for the Omega 3s. 
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Re: Raw feeding question
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#384251 - 10/13/2013 01:44 PM |
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I did, I wouldn't be that rude. It's omega 6 or something. I'm just confused about the whole omega things, long chained omega, omega3, omega6 so I looped them all under omegas
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Re: Raw feeding question
[Re: Natalie Rynda ]
#384252 - 10/13/2013 01:54 PM |
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The coconut oil post:
This is all JMO, and I'm not a health professional:
It is OK to give both, IMO. I do give raw coconut oil, but not nearly as meticulously as I give fish oil (and E).
The long-chain Omega 3s in fish oil are far more important, IMO, and should not take a back seat to the benefits of coconut oil.
Coconut oil's lauric acid is anti-fungal and anti-bacterial. It may also be anti-viral, but I think the jury may still be out on that.
It also may help regulate thyroid and other hormone balance, but I don't know the mechanism, and recent Mayo Clinic research calls this long-held belief into question.
Some of its benefits are really human as opposed to canine, such as apparent atherosclerosis reduction from medium-chain EFAs. I'm not even sure that the apparent metabolism booster in humans from medium-chain fatty acids (which are very easily used as energy) applies to dogs, either, because dogs already use fat much more efficiently than (and in different ways from) humans.
OTOH, some of the controversy surrounding coconut oil doesn't apply to dogs, either, since they don't have the sat fat / coronary artery problem.
I don't think any of its benefits come from Omega 6, 3, or 9. It has some Omega 6, no Omega 3, and some Omega 9 (which is not an EFA (essential fatty acid) and which can be produced by the body from the EFAs).
I think its benefits revolve mainly around its lauric acid.
BTW, I wouldn't bother giving a coconut oil that wasn't extra-virgin, and in fact I go further and buy raw coconut oil. (Of course, you wouldn't cook with raw coconut oil.)
The maximum processing I think it should sustain (if you want it as a therapeutic agent, as opposed to a high-smoke-point cooking oil (which evoo is not), is centrifuging.
All JMO, and I haven't done nearly the amount of research on coconut oil that I have on fish oil. I'd love to read any more detailed info anyone may have links to.
The bold comments would make it not something to give for Omega 3s.
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Re: Raw feeding question
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#384254 - 10/13/2013 02:15 PM |
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Oh that's not what I asked though. I said besides coconut oil and fish oil, is there anything else I should give to cover the omega (all omega) needs
Sorry if I wasn't clear. And I did read the links
ETA meaning there might be some other omega or anything else for that matter that dogs need and I'm not giving them
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Re: Raw feeding question
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#384255 - 10/13/2013 02:49 PM |
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You wouldn't be giving coconut oil to supply any Omega needs would still be my reply, so I must be reading it wrong. But moving on from coconut oil  .... these links lead to one post (in each link) that explains Omega 6s versus Omega 3s, and long-chain 3s (EPA and DHA) versus the shorter-chain plant-based ALA:
http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=22008&page=1#223603
http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=22010&page=2#223707
None of this will change the practical application that we've covered, which is how to add the harder-to-provide long-chain 3s to a modern Omega-6-loaded diet.
It does add info, though, and does give background about why 3s are missing in modern diets.
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Re: Raw feeding question
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#384256 - 10/13/2013 02:48 PM |
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"ETA meaning there might be some other omega or anything else for that matter that dogs need and I'm not giving them"
If you include the green tripe you mentioned, and vary the muscle meat, and incorporate the additions/corrections I posted earlier in the thread, including the link to the RMB ratio/amount to base the diet on, then, to my knowledge, everything needed for a basic raw diet for a healthy dog has been mentioned.
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Re: Raw feeding question
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#384257 - 10/13/2013 02:50 PM |
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I will try actually understanding these topics. Nutrition is hard for me, it's one of those things I can read the sentence 5 times and still not get what it means.
And to be honest I'm not interested enough in it to figure it out. Again, to give programming as an example, that's something I enjoy and was able to self learn.
Nutrition I don't enjoy and don't have the desire to figure out.
So please forgive me lol for taking shortcuts and just asking what I should feed without trying to understand why.
We can move on from coconut oil but I thought it was omega 6 I was covering with it lol
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