Kelly wrote 10/29/2013 04:31 PM Re: New Dog Behaviour Theories? [Re: Duane Hull ] #385454 - 10/29/2013 04:31 PM
Kelly Moderator Reg: 06-03-2005 Posts: 1495 Loc: Offline	Quote: Duane Hull This author has no problem with a dog needing leadership; she advocates that the owner needs to be a leader. However, she has some visceral reaction to the term "pack leader". I don't know why: Dogs are a social animal- they prefer to be in the company of others either in pairs or in groups. Being a social animal, they are governed by the social rules of their group. Since the domestic dog decended from wolves, and wolves live in packs, the social groups that dogs live in is also called a pack- the rules then are "Pack Rules" or "Pack Structure". The term "Pack Leader" came about because as all animals living in social pairs or groups, dogs rank themselves into a "heirarchy"- from leader to lowest ranking subordinate. As the owner of the dog, it only makes sense that we be the "Pack Leader" and we create and enforce the Pack Rules. It's just words to describe what's going on- no different than calling my group of 3 horses a herd, and myself the Boss Mare
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Jodi Moen wrote 10/29/2013 05:55 PM Re: New Dog Behaviour Theories? [Re: Kelly ] #385455 - 10/29/2013 05:55 PM
Jodi Moen Webboard User Reg: 12-28-2010 Posts: 799 Loc: USA Offline	I think the authors objection to the term "pack leader" comes from the fact that typically a wolf pack is led by an alpha male AND alpha female, thus the pack is led/ rules enforced by a pair of leaders not a single wolf. I do agree that dogs sometimes "pack up" even single dogs with homes where they are well fed and loved have been known to group up and attack livestock, but their attacks are usually chaotic, not organized, and often kill multiple animals if they encounter a group of sheep for example. Wolves are extremely organized and each wolf has a " role" in the kill. They kill to eat. For myself, while I do believe in some aspects of pack behavior, I also do not entirely buy into it either. All of this is of course jmho. My animals are not "like" family, they ARE family.
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Tracy Collins wrote 10/29/2013 06:42 PM Re: New Dog Behaviour Theories? [Re: Tiffany Aiche ] #385458 - 10/29/2013 06:42 PM
Tracy Collins Webboard User Reg: 10-09-2008 Posts: 1917 Loc: St. Louis, Missouri Offline	I think some people get hung up on the word "pack." No, dogs aren't exactly like wolves. They've had several millennia of selective breeding to distill characteristics that make them more suitable to live with people. They've transferred the wolf's "pack instinct" to something slightly different--that includes living in inter species groups with humans. So whether one likes calling a group of dogs-and-humans a "pack" or something else, dogs remain a highly social animal. And successful social groups require leadership from some member. Dogs also retain an instinct to display dominant and submissive gestures as a way to work out these social rankings. So IMO it's not *exactly* like a wolf pack. But it's similar (dogs are still the same species as wolves--they can breed and produce fertile offspring.). And we haven't come up with different collective noun for a group of dogs other than "pack." If we need a new word, I propose an "asylum of dogs." Cinco | Jack | Fanny | Ellie | Chip | Deacon
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Candi Campbell wrote 10/30/2013 10:38 AM Re: New Dog Behaviour Theories? [Re: Tracy Collins ] #385519 - 10/30/2013 10:38 AM
Candi Campbell Webboard User Reg: 03-28-2013 Posts: 1571 Loc: Offline	Quote: Tracy Collins I think some people get hung up on the word "pack"...I propose an "asylum of dogs." Good one, LOL: School of Fish; Pod of Whales; Murder of Crows; Gaggle of Geese; Asylum of Dogs !!!
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/30/2013 10:54 AM Re: New Dog Behaviour Theories? [Re: Candi Campbell ] #385521 - 10/30/2013 10:54 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Candi Campbell  Quote: Tracy Collins I think some people get hung up on the word "pack"...I propose an "asylum of dogs." Good one, LOL: School of Fish; Pod of Whales; Murder of Crows; Gaggle of Geese; Asylum of Dogs !!! "Asylum of Dog Trainers" works too .....
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Mike Arnold wrote 10/30/2013 11:05 AM Re: New Dog Behaviour Theories? [Re: Candi Campbell ] #385522 - 10/30/2013 11:05 AM
Mike Arnold Webboard User Reg: 07-09-2004 Posts: 1344 Loc: CNY Offline	And bevy, assembly, band, bunch, cluster, collection, company, covey, crew, crowd, flight, flock, gathering, group, pack, party, troupe... Assemblage, assortment, band, batch, cluster, crew, crowd, gang, mess, mob, multitude, pile, agglomeration, caboodle, heap, mass, party, passel swarm, team, troop... My new favorite is agglomeration. If you only have one, what constitutes the 'pack'? Hmmmm I am the agglomeration leader. Maybe the passel leader. Then too, party leader. Potato, potahtoe. Just words. At the end of the day, the dog or dogs just understand who is in charge, if they are trained, or that they are, if not trained. Mike A. "I wouldn't touch that dog, son. He don't take to pettin." Hondo, played by John Wayne
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Tracy Collins wrote 10/30/2013 11:16 AM Re: New Dog Behaviour Theories? [Re: Tiffany Aiche ] #385525 - 10/30/2013 11:16 AM
Tracy Collins Webboard User Reg: 10-09-2008 Posts: 1917 Loc: St. Louis, Missouri Offline	I'm pretty sure the correct term is a "Mess of Wiener Dogs." But it's only used for that breed. Cinco | Jack | Fanny | Ellie | Chip | Deacon
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Duane Hull wrote 10/30/2013 11:24 AM Re: New Dog Behaviour Theories? [Re: Tiffany Aiche ] #385527 - 10/30/2013 11:24 AM
Duane Hull Webboard User Reg: 09-23-2011 Posts: 2692 Loc: Marrero, LA Offline	I don't know, Tracy... When I see pix of your mob, I think "troop". Or maybe even "troupe". Sadie
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Duane Hull wrote 10/30/2013 11:22 AM Re: New Dog Behaviour Theories? [Re: Tiffany Aiche ] #385528 - 10/30/2013 11:22 AM
Duane Hull Webboard User Reg: 09-23-2011 Posts: 2692 Loc: Marrero, LA Offline	My dog is a "gang of one". Sadie
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Jodi Moen wrote 10/30/2013 11:38 AM Re: New Dog Behaviour Theories? [Re: Tracy Collins ] #385532 - 10/30/2013 11:38 AM
Jodi Moen Webboard User Reg: 12-28-2010 Posts: 799 Loc: USA Offline	Delete Edited by Jodi Moen (10/30/2013 11:38 AM) Edit reason: link not working My animals are not "like" family, they ARE family.
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