Aric Buss Webboard User Reg: 10-14-2013
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Your kidding about the decoy....? Hard to tell. Lol
Police and ppd decoys seem the most "real" IMO.
Schutzhune decoys do more of a dance, as every movement is more methodical and planned. In my area yes there are two types of decoy.. Usually trained in one or the other.
that's fine, any decoy in a bite suit can have at my gsd any way they want as long as they got a bite suit on and not a fibreglass arm with a pad for the dog to bite and whip the crap out of the dog and giving collar corrections to it like i see guys do, won't be doing it to my dog, use a stick and a suit you can feel the bite through and they can go for it, I will be standing back with the camera.
we can agree to disagree but a violent drunk inside a confined space does not move like a skilled decoy. some things can NOT be emulated.
Duane Hull Webboard User Reg: 09-23-2011
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FWIW, the scenarios that Ed uses in defense and protection training are presented to dogs that are actually in training, at the proper point of the training progression. I'm not sure they are designed to be an accurate test of temperament.
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Quote: Aric Buss
Your kidding about the decoy....? Hard to tell. Lol
Police and ppd decoys seem the most "real" IMO.
Schutzhune decoys do more of a dance, as every movement is more methodical and planned. In my area yes there are two types of decoy.. Usually trained in one or the other.
Our club training night doubles as a proofing session for some of our TD's clients, so we do all types of helper work, whether real protection or sport protection. I like the well-rounded education, as well as having multiplt options when troubleshooting. All of the handlers that are fit enough learn to catch dogs, including how to read the dogs.
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Quote: Peter Cavallaro
that's fine, any decoy in a bite suit can have at my gsd any way they want as long as they got a bite suit on and not a fibreglass arm with a pad for the dog to bite
I was watching your videos, and the foundation work I saw being done was witha sleeve and a whip.
I would not let any decoy go at any dog if it was in the foundation stage.
the comment was for NOW, a dog that knows the game and will defend itself. no way I would suggest such for a foundation level dog. that's why I did not include the other dog in the statement.
most decoys use a sleeve, not my choice, take what you can get.
interested which clip, it is almost impossible to find a decoy without a whip fixation, I hate it.
my dog triggered on a stockmen using a whip to move stock, that was the last time I allowed a whip in training, they are really over-used imo and a good dog doesn't need all that stimulation, in fact it is unpractical, stick yeah, makes way more sense imo.
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It doesn't sound like the decoys you have worked with are very good helpers. The decoys I see in your videos, with the exception of the one where the trainer is filming, seem to be there just to agitate and give bites.
A good helper won't "go at your dog", and the whip is not used to whip the dog. It is a tool for agitating the dog. It is a stressor, and without stressors, you can't really test a dog's threshholds and defensive limits. Not every dog that a helper is required to work is going to meet your criteria of a good dog, and escalating pressure is frequently necessary in training.
Your dog brings some ready-made defense to the table. Many dogs need a little push to get from prey to fight drive.
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