 Re: very cool, BASE jumping with ACD
[Re: Anne Jones ]
#394802 - 11/03/2014 07:05 AM |
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If the jerk wants to risk his own life then fine...but to impose that on an animal that has no say in that matter just in the name of fun,thrill of sport is wrong no matter how you spin it.
JMO, but I suspect that most folks here feel the same.
The exception to that would be high end mission military K9s or dogs that are used in extreme rescue S A R work that may require to parachute or repel for access for deployment.
With due respect to others' opinions, I'm with Anne. I watched the clip, and I didn't think the dog looked at all happy, until she saw the woman after the jump. The jumper himself made numerous references to the danger and uncertainty. If he wants to risk it himself, fine, but please don't subject any living being that doesn't have a choice.
According to Wikipedia, there have been 242 BASE jumping deaths recorded since 1981. That's the ones that are known. Add to that the fact that many of the jumps are made illegally, and I don't believe it's a "sport" people should be subjecting their animals to in the name of some fantasy of "bonding."
Anybody else watch Nik Wallenda's high-wire walks in Chicago on TV last night? He comes up with a lot of ways to make his walks unique, but I'm quite sure we'll never see him taking his dog along.
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Re: very cool, BASE jumping with ACD
[Re: Peter Cavallaro ]
#394804 - 11/03/2014 07:52 AM |
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We watched, Cheri - and I was thinking the same thing. If he strapped a dog, or a kid, to his back for the walk, we'd all think he was a jerk. It's one thing to push your own limits and do it for yourself - another to make that decision for someone else.
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Re: very cool, BASE jumping with ACD
[Re: Peter Cavallaro ]
#394805 - 11/03/2014 08:32 AM |
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To add another dimension to this - the guy is deaf/hard of hearing and the dog is an assistance dog. I wouldn't have an issue if this was more mountain climbing stuff in light of the fact that it is a service dog. But there is no reason to base jump with a dog on your back especially as you talk about how dangerous it is.
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Re: very cool, BASE jumping with ACD
[Re: Peter Cavallaro ]
#394806 - 11/03/2014 11:13 AM |
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Pete , thanks for posting . Interesting topic that brings up a good discussion.
I don't find it offensive . . . as the kids say these days , I find it kinda " meh " . . .
Sure , any base jumper can stuff a dog in a bag , jump off a cliff , make a video about it , but does that advance the relationship knowing that he could have , by his own admission , prematurely ended the dogs life through his own selfish pursuits ?
I get the " look at the crazy sh!t we did together " thing , but . . . .
I think , if asked prior to the flight , the dog probably would have said " hey , I'll see you at the landing , hope you have good flight , but I'm out ."
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Re: very cool, BASE jumping with ACD
[Re: Peter Cavallaro ]
#394809 - 11/03/2014 12:24 PM |
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I think it's less about whether the dog benefitted from it than it is about to what degree you would imperil a loved one. To risk your own life in the pursuit of thrills is your choice. Would you strap your own child (or even a niece or nephew) to your back and base jump?
If my own wife had done something like that with my child, she would have be in serious trouble. If my brother took my kid out and did that without my blessing, I'd be draggin' him out behind the shed. Doing that to my dog would get a pretty similar response.
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Re: very cool, BASE jumping with ACD
[Re: Brianah Maloney ]
#394810 - 11/03/2014 12:29 PM |
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Whats the deal?
Why does the dog deserve a better owner? Did the dog look terrified and he still brought him? Dog looked ok to me.
Am I missing something?
Would you feel the same way if there had been an accident and the dog had been hurt or killed? Do you have any children?
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Re: very cool, BASE jumping with ACD
[Re: Peter Cavallaro ]
#394813 - 11/03/2014 01:34 PM |
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people insist on forcing their kids to do crazy sh!t every weekend, you guys just have a heightened sense of fear about this particular activity.
fair enough not all dangerous activities require strapping down or attachment to another person but dangerous lethal much, every dam weekend all around the world and people die.
last Christmas a father killed his whole family in a water skiing accident, what's the difference?
could the family have really said no to the father/husband?
Ian I believe the kids these days would not say "meh" they would prolly say YOLO - or is that too last week already.
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Re: very cool, BASE jumping with ACD
[Re: Peter Cavallaro ]
#394814 - 11/03/2014 01:46 PM |
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I'd have to see the stats, but I'm pretty sure that base jumping is inherently much more dangerous than water skiing. People die in plane crashes. Does that mean flying on a passenger airline is as risky as base jumping?
Would you INTENTIONALLY imperil your children?
I have accidentally put my son in the face of danger. I almost sunk a boat with my son along, In a very familiar area where I had never gotten in trouble before. To this day, I get a big guilty lump in my throat when I think about it. I still take him fishing now, years later, but I am ever conscious of that incident and try to avoid putting us in danger.
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Re: very cool, BASE jumping with ACD
[Re: Peter Cavallaro ]
#394815 - 11/03/2014 01:58 PM |
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given over 90% of our entire population live on the coast and it is a coastie culture, by and large we see a lot of boating related incidents & fatalities, many drownings, shark attacks, jelly fish (the most excruciating painful death possible). crocodile attacks - hardly makes the news so I think people need to review their perceptions on why this is so much worse than many other activities.
methinks the sheer terror most of us have just looking at those cliffs stirs the emotion more than more familiar things.
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Re: very cool, BASE jumping with ACD
[Re: Peter Cavallaro ]
#394816 - 11/03/2014 01:58 PM |
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Don't know the details behind the waterski accident , but presumably this was an activity the family had done before , and something they had all participated in , and had gained some satisfaction from ; that is , they were active participants and had probably expressed a desire to continue their participation .
Contrast that with a dog , who has limited ways of expressing his unwillingness to participate , especially given that this dog does have a service history with his owner .
Which does bring up another point , would you risk the health and safety of a living " tool " that has demonstrated his ability to help you live your life better ?
Another point re the BASE jumping , when there is an accident , they tend to be pretty disastrous . . . You don't just twist an ankle or skin a knee when you tag something flying by unprotected at 100 mph . But I guess then you wouldn't need a hearing aid dog .
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