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true that nothing is ever B&W. Connie you seem to be focussing on the business and personal ethics more than the actual medicinal claims.
where do you think big bad pharma get the money to research provide medicines that work???
doesn't come cheap and the risk is massive.
I would like to see the "alternative" crowd be exposed to the same legal liability, clinical trial, double blind tests, research expenditure, peer review, training standards, licencing standards and skills etc as just the boring old medicine that does the most good to the most people.
they want all the trapping of mainstream medicine, the titles, , prestige, money, the subsidies, the respect but they do not want the accountability that goes with it, something about cakes and eating them.
bring it on I say, you (alternative medicine crowd) got a claim, then prove it like real medicine has to.
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Re: Alternative/homeopathic/laser/acupuncture
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#395203 - 11/17/2014 06:42 PM |
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I wish I believed that big pharma was as clean (business ethics aside) as we'd like to think. I wish western surgeons didn't own companies that manufacture hardware they install in surgical patients. I wish a whole lot of things about western med were not true, including the fact (IMO) that much of western medicine, by virtue of what it's meant to be and do, is ER med used for chronic ailments. (That's improving on some fronts, at last.)
OTOH, yes, if I break my leg or need complex surgery, this is where I want to be .... in the hub of western med.
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Re: Alternative/homeopathic/laser/acupuncture
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#395204 - 11/17/2014 06:44 PM |
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" ... you seem to be focussing on the business and personal ethics more than the actual medicinal claims."
You are right .... I don't draw a sharp line of demarcation.
I agree to disagree.
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Re: Alternative/homeopathic/laser/acupuncture
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Acupuncture has undergone this kind of scrutiny. Recent article in the journal of the American Medical Asaocialtion. Its efficacy on several types of pain was superior to placebo and sham treatments.
Most of it is, indeed, woo-woo. But some of these treatments do work for some things.
Pain, especially, is a tough thing for western medicine do deal with. Because not all pain has an underlying cause that can be fixed. Sometimes the pain itself is the only pathology. If any treatment modulates an individual's perception of pain (and that's all pain is--perception), then it worked.
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#395207 - 11/17/2014 09:55 PM |
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Because none of this was taught when I was a student, I attended an 8 hr review of alternative
veterinary medicine.
Taught by a Dr. Robinson ( D.O., D.C., DVM). It was very positive on laser therapy ( some positive healing was accomplished with even a cat toy laser pointer) and on acupuncture. Also very interesting stuff on massage and on some botanical medicine. Very negative on what was called "true homeopathy", which was described as using dilute amts. of animal, or vegetable matter in "tinctures" to awaken the bodies own natural healing properties, with an idea of "like" curing "like", as in onion tincture (makes your eyes water) used for eye infections.
W hat were the massage therapy discussions like?
I sure have experienced some good results from therapeutic massage myself.
But I also studied therapeutic massage for dogs for quite a while, and tried some of the safe (not deep tissue) techniques on my own dog and my granddog, both of whom were seniors. My granddog especially (a Border Terrier) had very noticeable reactions to massage. He exhaled and kind of settled in, halfway through, when a certain spot on his shoulders was reached.
My own dog was eager for massage forevermore. I still have him (Oliver, who is about 15 now), and all I have to do is wiggle my fingers in the air near the floor for him to trot over and flop down.
Of course, I understand that a pleasant sensation isn't necessarily a healing one.
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When I was in herding T would have me give Thunder a good massage after a long day in the field.
Herding was more of a workout then anything I've done with a dog.
It made big difference the next day on how he acted, especially if we didn't herd more then once a week.
I figure I will give him a massage tomorrow because of the cold weather. 73 last Monday and it will get down to 13 tonight.
I just may have to pry him out of his newly heated dog house........or I may just have to crawl in there with him. 
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Re: Alternative/homeopathic/laser/acupuncture
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Duke immediately learned how to request back leg/hip massage - he backs his butt up to me and stares plaintively over his shoulder. Clearly he likes it! Even tolerates the long leg stretches now.
Regarding chiro, my own family growing up practiced realignment and massage at home, Dad regularly saw a chiro for adjustments (blue collar worker, lots of adjusting needed to be done) and I have experienced the immediate relief it offers when I have an orthopedic/alignment issue. My younger brother became a chiropractor himself. I wish there was a pet practitioner in the area. Speaking of which, I really need to see my chiro this week.
ETA: wish I had access to a cold laser as well. I can think of a few uses for that.
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