 Re: conditioning tips?
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#397328 - 03/15/2015 01:58 AM |
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As Bob stated above, lots of "hunting dogs" don't recall worth a damn. Based on this video and a few others you have posted, Imo they are better trained than 99% of the hounds around here. Good on you Peter.
Wanted to add, again Imo a certain amount of "independence"is required in good hunting dogs, as you can't be there beside them all of the time.
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Re: conditioning tips?
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#397329 - 03/15/2015 02:19 AM |
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thanks, not sure where everyone is getting the no recall and out of control from.
the dogs where exactly where they supposed to be and the clips clearly shows them being re-directed at the junction in the road.
I don't have the dogs behind me like ceaser milan walking thru the burbs if that's the reference point? ceaser milan don't hunt.
yeah the car issue needs some work. that guy has a bunch of dogs that never get any work and they roam free terrorising the area and chasing cars. about one or two a year get run over. he just gets another one to replace, easier than spending 30 minutes fixing his fence. he doesn't even take to the vet, just lets them die.
big distraction for a dog when a loose pack at full speed is chasing your car at close range looking for a fight.
I doubt many dogs would not respond no matter how well trained their owners think they are unless their dogs lack a pulse.
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Re: conditioning tips?
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#397331 - 03/15/2015 08:50 AM |
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Thinking some more about this. I don't think that I'd call the exercise in the video to be conditioning. It's running and exercise which will build muscles, burn calories and build stamina.
But it's only focused on one group of muscles and doesn't really do anything to teach a dog to use it's body or think about what it's doing.
Now there are probably a few situations where this will be fine. But for the majority of sport or working dogs it won't be ideal because, well, you're only working one set of muscles.
For proper conditioning you need to be working multiple muscle groups and building core muscles that support the skeleton (that pretty important spine).
On top of that, body awareness exercises teach a dog to use it's body. Yes, adrenaline will override that at times but by and large they'll be more surefooted and confident in their movements and use their bodies in a safer way.
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Re: conditioning tips?
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#397332 - 03/15/2015 09:14 AM |
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I'm unclear...are your dogs 100% proofed from bait, toads and snakes?
Personally I would never let my dogs out of my sight in an area like you're running in. IMO if you're just 'exercising' your dogs than there's no reason for them to stay on the road with you. Anything else is an accident waiting to happen. No matter how well a dog is trained, if there is no leader behind them you are allowing your dog to make decisions and the end result could prove fatal in those conditions.
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Re: conditioning tips?
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#397349 - 03/16/2015 06:56 PM |
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Aric gets it, the dependent dog poses a bigger risk to themselves in such conditions.
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Re: conditioning tips?
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#397351 - 03/16/2015 09:15 PM |
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Oh, please...this is just a bunch of overweight dogs running around crittering in the woods. So what? I could post similar video of my dogs running around off leash in in the backwoods here - except I don't lose control of mine or rely on one dog to "lead me" to others that have run off. And spare me the nonsense about "independent" vs "dependent" hunting dogs - I've been around hounds, bird dogs and working terriers for too many years.
No serious hunter using dogs in this part of the world would let hounds out of sight in country where 1080-laced meat was down as bait. (Yes - it's used for coyotes here). Despite your earlier dismissive response to comments about that, Peter, I doubt your dogs could read that sign declaring the intended target was "wild dogs" so I sure hope your proofing is 110% good. Ditto for snakes and cane toads.
Regrettably, the increasing quantity of this kind of BS bragging is why after 10 years on this board I no longer bother to check in much.
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#397352 - 03/16/2015 10:31 PM |
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I am interested in starting to condition my 20 month old GSD but haven't a clue on how to start him off correctly - and he doesn't get out of my sight so running loose isn't an option. Also I can't run fast enough or long enough to condition him. I just want his core muscles to be as strong as possible for obvious reasons.
I tried to find Mara Jessup's posts but I an not great using the search engine and would love to read Mara's posts as I respect her training.
I was told that I could use a vest on him once he was close to 2 years old and not to put more than 10% of his body weight in the vest pockets (bottles of water was my thought) so he is 88lbs so 8 lbs of weight - 4 lbs on each side?
I might be misremembering the % - I have a few of those moments after every birthday 
If this post is in the wrong place or seen as detracting from the OP post, please move it or tell me how to .. thank you - Maggie
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Re: conditioning tips?
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#397353 - 03/16/2015 11:54 PM |
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Aric gets it, the dependent dog poses a bigger risk to themselves in such conditions.
What does this or Aric's post have to do with conditioning?
Yes, Sarah, a lot of folks here are feeling the same way...even many of the long time regulars. Maybe some posters will get the hint before it is too late.
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Re: conditioning tips?
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#397355 - 03/17/2015 02:35 AM |
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ladies can you please stay on topic.
hi sarah nice to meet you. good to see you posting again. I have been here since 2010 and can't recall seeing any of your posts.
do you always contribute in such a manner?
you might want to read the title of the clip STARTING CONDITIONING, doesn't conjure up any ideas about a dog's condition at such a point in the cycle, pretty basic stuff really.
maggie you are on point, this thread is supposed to be about conditioning dogs, hopefully others can stick to the topic.
can you ride a bicycle, makes life easier?
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Re: conditioning tips?
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#397356 - 03/17/2015 03:44 AM |
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Peter, I posted my thoughts on dog conditioning hoping that some good ideas would come up because your post gave me pause.
People who might not know much about raising GSDs and proper care and training of them might do what you did and let their dogs run in the woods unsupervised with hazardous items lying about.
I imagine you feel confident in your training/handling but I always try to remember (on the very rare occasions when I post) that lots of people read the posts but don't post to ask questions and might try something an experienced handler wrote about with bad results.
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