Thanks for the responses. No Jack did not have any wounds which is great but hard to believe since my husband said she was really latching down and he had to use all his strength to get her jaws off of him. We had all dogs on leashes this weekend and if my husband or myself couldnt keep dogs tethered to us they went into kennels. Everything went good, when Jack got close enough to grace a couple times of course he had to lick her mouth, and of course she growled at him but besides that they all co-existed well on the leashes.

all toys, chew chips are up and only allowed in kennels or when we take them out to play - gracie by herself of course.

So it seems I need to teach Jack the puppy that gracie is to be ignored, you think he would have figured it out by now that she doesnt like it when he licks her but he always just keeps going back to her- can that be trained? Im thinking it probably can but not sure how to go about it, any suggestions? Jack and Razor get along good and play together, so how would he know that razor is ok but leave gracie alone? He obviously doesnt take her signs to leave her alone serious enough.

Thank you.

 Quote: Kathy West

Thanks for responding Candi-
Yes my husband had just got home for lunch and went outside with them and sat on a bench outside to call me - so I bet you are on the right track with thinking that. Gracie especially is always super wound up when he gets home so that along with the chew chip could have took it over the top.

Yep, sounds like Gracie was over-stimulated by your husband's homecoming & by getting to go outside, then she just lost it & made her point with your pup over that treat when Hubby sat down & diverted his attention toward the phone call Many dogs will purposely ACT UP when you're on the phone, just to get your attention, the same as a lot of kids will do (BRATS).

 Quote: Kathy West

There are definitely some changes that need to be made with all of them as far as maintenance. Going to run Grace thru some groundwork as well, my husband treats her way to sweety sweet and I think he realized today that thats not a good thing. He is still shook up over it but I told him in order to move forward he will have to get over it and not be nervous with them.

Hopefully, he learned an even BIGGER lesson than your dogs did -- It zapped my confidence when that happened to me, but I got right back into the Role of Leader and just "acted the part" until I actually FELT like I was on top again ... Haven't had any further trouble between my Dobies since then

 Quote: Kathy West

...the puppy does harrass gracie alot with always trying to kiss her mouth etc and she does not like that.

Yeah, that absolutely Cannot be Allowed any longer -- IMHO, Gracie views it as you Letting the pup Disrespect her, so then she will put "junior" in his place IF you don't

 Quote: Kathy West

Not sure how it will work outside, might just keep that separate for now and take it all slow.

Good Idea...

 Quote: Kathy West

Thanks again, your situation sounds alot like what happen with us, I just want to make sure Jack doesnt get hurt in the process

That's for SURE -- Proper management should avoid a trip to the ER for your husband ... Preventing a fight is much easier than having to stop one !!! The thing that really SAVED me when my 2 had their kerfuffle is that my male is extremely Handler-Submissive, and my female did NOT want to bite him back, so they both Separated Immediately when I BELLOWED at them to Knock it Off (and she really Lucked-Out by him only giving her a single "warning strike" on 1 shoulder, rather than meaning to do her some REAL damage around the Neck).

 Quote: Betty Landercasp

There is something to the owner sitting down, the dogs beginning to spar over resources.

Yes, double-whammy on top of the owner just having gotten home & letting all the dogs run around outside together, while he sat down & made a phone call -- Live & Learn ... LUCKY there were NO injuries

 Quote: Bob Scott

It sounds like food was the start of this particular fight and the puppy sound like it just may be a pia that Gracie doesn't want to put up with. Don't allow it!

The Sharpei was developed as a fighting dog so a simple trigger such as a piece of food can easily go beyond a simple "it's mine" situation.

What BOB Said.

 Quote: Jay Jack

There's a huge missing element in most people's integration protocol. And that is showing the animals that you control the OTHER animal.
People separate and train the dogs in the absence of the other dog.
Then, when they re integrate they dogs know that THEY should listen to the handler..... But they have no idea if the OTHER dog will listen to the handler. They have at best uneasy language (at worst complete regression), and this sets the whole thing in motion.
I use a lot of proximity work, but the real difference is in my use of training in front of the other dog.
You HAVE to make them realize that not only will they listen, but the OTHER dog will listen.
You can teach a dog all day that they "shouldn't" do something. But if they think they "have" to..... They will.
HAVE to convince them that not only are they not allowed to.... But there's no NEED to.
I have had really good results in some really tough situations with this.

AND what Jay said !!!

 Quote: Bob Scott

Well said Jay.

In my almost 70 yrs I've rarely had less then 2-3 occasionally 4 dogs of my own, at the same time.

They have always been run together and not kenneled. That includes numerous terriers at one time and presently two intact male, working line GSDs that are together 24/7 outdoors.

Simply put, it's a management issue!

In my case, since I live alone & work outside the home all week and have now become that "crazy Dobie lady" (oy vey) my dogs cannot be crated 8 hours a day & the Homeowners Rules do not allow them to be kenneled outdoors, so mine must live loose together inside my house while I'm away at the office -- Fortunately, they have NEVER had any ruffled feathers when I'm not there ... They are crated separately Overnight, and their day-beds which are far removed from one another, are both identical & too small to be Shared (so my theory is that there is no competition over "who naps where").

If Gracie actually wanted to kill the pup, there would of been picture wounds or slashes.

Mine would have puncture wounds, torn ear etc.

 Quote: Kathy West

Gracie attacked Jack.

My husband who is 6ft and 250lbs said it took everything he had to get gracies jaws off of him, he tried to get Jack in the house and she went after him again and grabbed on- husband finally got her off and got Jack in the house.

He said Gracie was going to kill him, hes very shook up over it.

She was shaking and biting his neck and face-Jack did not fight back and luckily He HAS NO Wounds.

Seriously, Joan: when reading this all I could think was, "If Gracie had been an AKITA instead of a Sharpei, poor Jack would have been DOA at the Vet" !!!

My two Dobermans only had a very MINOR dust-up that just lasted a couple SECONDS and he merely gave her a single Warning-Strike on 1 shoulder, but it still resulted in one Shallow PUNCTURE Wound -- Of course, a Dobie's very short fur with NO under-coat gives them Zero Protection against snapping teeth ... I'm just so grateful that he did NOT slash her or mean to do Any REAL Harm !!! I wonder if Gracie the mature Sharpei gave Jack the young GSD a big break for being a Puppy ???

 Quote: Candi Campbell

 Quote: Bob Scott

Well said Jay.

In my almost 70 yrs I've rarely had less then 2-3 occasionally 4 dogs of my own, at the same time.

They have always been run together and not kenneled. That includes numerous terriers at one time and presently two intact male, working line GSDs that are together 24/7 outdoors.

Simply put, it's a management issue!

In my case, since I live alone & work outside the home all week and have now become that "crazy Dobie lady" (oy vey) my dogs cannot be crated 8 hours a day & the Homeowners Rules do not allow them to be kenneled outdoors, so mine must live loose together inside my house while I'm away at the office -- Fortunately, they have NEVER had any ruffled feathers when I'm not there ... They are crated separately Overnight, and their day-beds which are far removed from one another, are both identical & too small to be Shared (so my theory is that there is no competition over "who naps where").

Good points!

As to the how to teach the fluency in calming signals: after going through solid training in front of the other dogs and knowing they can hold place while the other dog is at liberty.... I will allow them both liberty. When a dog is clearly asking for de-escalation and the other dog doesn't listen... I will move in and mark "ah ah", and "place" the dog that wasn't listening. In short order, if there's consistency, the dog will see the dogs signal as essentially a conditioned punisher. They will "avoid" the correction by backing off after the dogs "cue", to avoid my mark and place command. It effectively teaches them respect for calming signaling.
I also teach "safe zones".
These are zones where there is no arousal allowed. For me it's the whole house. But for some it's the kitchen, or even just the couch. Doesn't matter. What matters is when the dog knows there's a "home base" they can go to and ask for a break, they will usually tale it. MOST dogs.... don't want to fight. They want cessation of an activity. They fight t get it. It's easier to step onto the couch, than put up.
And, they need to be able to ask you for help. The proximity stuff I do helps, but the real clincher for that is this.... NEVER let another dog push a dog out of your affection/attention. If I am "connected" to a dog, I will not let ANY being push them out. I will say "enough" (like ending tug) and then invite the other one in. If the dog doesn't believe you can "own" your space and hold the other at bay during a non emergency time.... No damn way they'll believe you can do it when shit jumps off.
I hope that makes sense.
It's kind of late.