Quote: Candi Campbell

 Quote: Cathy Goessman

Just watched a video of that dog.

It looks like it's crawling with the back feet while the front are just thrown forward. Also seems like it has an asymmetrical gait. Not good.

PLEASE post a LINK to that Video, Cathy, thanks !!!

I searched the Crufts Homepage, but could NOT find any GSD breed ring tape from this year

Nevermind, found one, Cathy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBq6gM0s17A

Looks like footage of a HYENA Disgusting !!!

Video Unavailable Above, but anyone who wants to watch her being moved in the ring, just needs to GOOGLE the name:

Cruaghaire Catoria

Even just standing still, this poor bitch looks like that rear end is on the verge of COLLAPSE

Interesting. The Kennel Club has a system they call Breed Watch, with three different levels of concern. The GSD is a Category 3, of the highest concern.

http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/services/public/breed/watch/

Four of the five areas of concern they list for the GSD involve the rear limb assembly. The dog in question had issues with all four of those, as well as the fifth one, nervous temperament, as seen in the video. Perhaps "deformed or roached spines" should be added as another area of serious concern.

Still, their Breed Watch system seems to have had no influence on the judging. If this was the best of breed, what must the others have looked like?

The kennel clubs' concern is interesting Cheri . Ironically , if this sloped hindquarters is an ongoing trend , and I presume it is , it could be that this dog in question is actually the worst of the best , or the best of the worst , depending on how you look at it .

I'm still waiting for someone to enlighten me how this trait " improves " the breed . I can't see how anyone could look at the way these dogs move and actually say it is better than it was . The GSD that made it to the BIS round at Westminster ( the only dog show I see ) moved like a car that had a bad misfire on half its' cylinders and couldn't get out of second gear .

Too bad , that's my favorite breed . . .

Most of my GSD observance of the breed ring started in the early 80s.

The uber angulation started in the early 70s so, no, it wasn't quite as bad as today.

Bernd LEARBERG in the late 60s was one of the last great dogs in both working and show.

I "believe" this name, different spelling, was the origin of Ed's kennel.

I know I'll be corrected if wrong.

My "experience" outside the breed ring with my OB GSD was within the past 8-9 yrs and the slide was not only obvious but disgustingly so.

Did I say that I took 1st place Open B Obedience that day.

Two yrs in a row within the past ten yrs I viewed the SV breed championship at Purina Farms 60 miles from my house.

Aprox 80 males and 80 females.

In order to enter an SV judged show the dogs have to have "working titles".

Of those aprox 160 dogs that showed in the SV protection phase there were less then half a dozen that I would have taken home.

SCH II and SCH III both and I would have put my then Sch I working line dog against any of them.

It was sad to watch.

I think the big problem getting change in any breed is that the big name breeders have to change, the big name handlers have to change and the judges have to change.

Not to mention starting over it also means they have to realize and admit they've gone in the wrong direction all these yrs.

There have been a couple of comments on social media from UK breeders saying the Alsation should be brought on again, and the GSD should be a breed apart, and maybe not supported by the KC.

I know nothing about either breed, what's the difference?

Tracey, in reading some of the articles yesterday, this organization was mentioned, so I looked them up and discovered their website:

http://thealsatian.co.uk/index.html

There seems to be pages and pages of information there, more than I have had time to read yet, but it looks very informative and interesting.

 Quote: tracey holden

There have been a couple of comments on social media from UK breeders saying the Alsation should be brought on again, and the GSD should be a breed apart, and maybe not supported by the KC.

I know nothing about either breed, what's the difference?

During the World Wars, folks in Great Britain distanced themselves from "things germanic" such as the GSD and the German Mastiff by calling them the "Alsatian" (from Alsace in France on the German border) and the "Great Dane", respectively...

The only difference was the NAME they were called in GB -- And apparently there is now a movement to "re-engineer" the Breed and call a HEALTHIER new strain of GSD the "Alsatian"

And stuff like this is why many working Border Collie people have been outspoken against the breed ring for Border Collies...

Just helped pick out a GSD pup for a friend. Purebred but unregistered oops litter. Not ideal, but both parents had square backs, nice temperaments and could walk smooth. If I had noticed sloping then I would have said to run.

The sadest part is that so many of these shoreline dods are pretty crippled by the time they are 6-8 years old.

Have to agree with Bob on the protection work. I visited a club a year's back when my female was just 3. ( did n't know it was a SL club until I got there & saw the dogs) After seeing these dogs work ( they all looked like slow motion compared to my dog) I talked to the head trainer & said that I was at the wrong club for my dog. But I had as enjoyed meeting everyone. Really nice folks...all expensive imported dogs. But totally clueless to what a real working dog was like. So of course he wanted to see my dog work. Which I declined at first.....concerned that the decoy was not up to her type of dog. He was not a young guy though very experienced I wax told.

I spoke to the decoy before setting my dog up to send her for a bite so he would be prepared for her. She was very fast & hit very hard.....unlike what I was seeing him catch. I'll it leave it to say that I sent her out & the decoy dismissed my warning when he saw her (65 lbs). He was shocked at her hold & bark in the blind (airborn barking in his face) but her (short) long bite made him consider the need for a clothing change. He said that he would have loved the challenge of working her when he was younger. LOL I told him I was very careful who I let catch her because I didn't want her hurt. Which is why I did a very short long bite with him.

She was a very hard dog with a serious edge when it came to her bite work. Small but lethal with a very hard full bite.

I never even took my 85# male out of the truck that day. That would have just been mean & they really were nice friendly folks.

" never even took my 85# male out of the truck that day. That would have just been mean & they really were nice friendly folks."



There are numerous SL only shows out there and many if not most of the imported, titled dogs were titled for the sole reason to qualify for showing in the CH SV breed ring.

These titles are often given with only months of training and it shows.

I went and watched the WSUV World Championship the last time it was in the USA. 2008? I think.

One show line dog entered and was trained by one of the BIG names in international Schutzhund did a fairly nice job but it's retrieve over the meter wall and the a-frame really showed how the conformation limited the dog's jumping ability.