What really bugs me are the half truths printed over and over to support their breedings. Even the miss quoting of Helmut Raiser. . .

Hi All,

Yes Olderhill are a joke! I am a breeder of working dogs in South Africa and no, my dogs are nothing like this. They are from wold class working lines ie. Pike, Ernst,Xato and the likes. The funny thing is in this country I struggle to sell puppies from registered qualified parents. Olderhill who have no idea what they are talking about charge a fortune and are fully booked for months. It is quite sad that the general public are actually so gullible!
I do not think that their breeding dogs hips are done and they certainly have no titles. They have about 140 dogs on the property and if you walk through their gates you can smell parvo! It is purely a puppy mill!

Hi Robyn, how is your Ernst daughter doing?

Hi Tonya

She has been through a very funny stage of not wanting to do very much. It started at about seven months. I left her alone for a long time +/- 3months. She seems to be coming back now into herself and better than before. She is still very immature for her age though, so I will take my time and wait and see.
She has turned out to be quite a large female and definately looks like her father.
I am quite pleased with her I must say!
Otherwise, how are things going with your girl, she must be growing fast now!

I have an Ernst daughter too and at 9 months she's had no signs of slowing down. Love her temperment and looks but I was hoping she'd be a bit on the smaller side (still in standard) and she's already grown more than her mom.

>>I especially like the wolf hybrids. That's always a winner in my book.

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I keep asking myself if these guys/gals are for real??? Unbelievable. I think there's even a pic of a wolfdog doing sleeve work...

http://www.olderhill.co.za ....wow, my "BS" meter redlined and stayed there for my entire visit to that sight. :rolleyes:

Is it just me, or on TOP of all the other BS - does EVERY one of the dogs on that site look fat to anyone else? Maybe I've just gotten so used to having lean dogs, but man - even my rotties were never that chunky, and they'd have eaten themselves insensible if I'd let them....

Looking at the olderhill website i do not think it is healthy to have GSD's so baulky, nor is it functional for a working dog. They say their dogs beat Border Collies in agility????? Must be slow obese Border collies <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Yes, it is truly a sorry bunch; I am referring to the likes of Van Camp and his crowd. You always get your foot stuck in your mouth don’t you, have you not learned to follow your own advice yet. In your own words” and I quote verbatim:

“ I always find that when offering advice or opinions to people on a subject, one should have some experience on the subject being discussed.


And those of you who have ZERO experience with protection training, but who are still posting to protection related threads with opinions and advice know who the -F- you are.


Cut it out.


The cool thing about this board is that we have experienced people who talk about different aspects of dog training. The information here is generally pretty damn good because of that. Lets keep it that way. . .

Well maybe you should follow your advice some time. I am friend with Susan and Julie – the “guy’s” from Olderhill, and yes I have eight of their dogs working in my ranks, I bought ten, and used eight so that gives me a 80% hit rate not far from 90% but then again I am very strict. So as for them selling good quality dogs I can vouch for that. As for titles, we don’t bother with Schutzhund because in Africa every thing is for real, it is bigger, meaner, and grow unaffected. We like to do things “I think some one said –backward” yes that was it. But do you know what, we have the highest crime rate in the world, not that I am proud of it, but we have to have serious dogs. So I will trust my life with my olderhil, yes I bought my self one as well,-Murdock- and he has twelve life bites on his core card, and he is only one and a half years old. In 1999, I had tackled 212 times in one year, my colleague had 302, so we don’t need titles to comfort us we do it for real, like the guys in the sand box, they don’t go to the range and shoot a few shots with the mates and brag about competency. These dogs are not fat lol, Have you ever seen an older hill, well the Czech Shepherd hold the same frame. I have had US buddies – k9 guys - here that could not believe the size of our GSD’s (Olderhills) until they saw them.

Remarkable, they also pointed out that they looked fat when I sent them picks, but when they saw them and worked them they liked them very much, they are bigger than average shepherds about 15%, so maybe we should not always jump in and have a bite at some thing we know nothing of, where is your rebuttal your proof that it – the claims made – was not so. Many people have bred this way, why not them, who is to say, I just so happen to have seen the hybrid. So my dear friend what now - Our military bread several Wolf hybrids in with our Military GSD crosses when I was in the force as well. Even Hyena, so why not Wolf? But I very much doubt that you will even know what a hyena looks like lol.
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