Connie Sutherland wrote 07/02/2024 11:32 AM Re: The Pinker and his eyes [Re: Bob Scott ] #407370 - 07/02/2024 11:32 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Bob Scott Good ideas from all above. Why not marker training? It may have to start in the room/hall outside then into the bath room, then into the bathroom, tub, tub with very low water for very short duration, etc. HUGS for Pinker! I agree with you, Bob, on marker training being a great choice for this. The Karen Pryor article I linked above lays out those small steps much like what you're saying. I can't say that he ever started enjoying his "spa days," but he did stop screaming, and he did join me in the kitchen when he smelled the bacon being thawed/warmed, even though he knew that the bathtub and bacon were connected. With his baths and his unpleasant procedures (eyedrops, ear flushes, anything with his paws), I never weaned him away from the HV treats. All three dogs were pretty much bribed/paid for being calm about their most hated procedures, and I don't regret that at all.
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Bob Scott wrote 02/15/2019 12:14 AM Re: The Pinker and his eyes [Re: Betty Landercasp ] #407372 - 02/15/2019 12:14 AM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	I've personally seen marker training to wonders with stressed dogs. My brother's Presa in particular. Brother Mike got Titan when Titan was 3. The dog's only issue was getting his nails done. The family that had him couldn't do titans nails without literally hog tying him. No vet, no groomers would touch him. Mike got him via a return to the breeder that is a friend of mine. Within a few weeks Mike was trimming Titan's nails with him calmly laying on his side. It works! old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Bob Scott wrote 02/15/2019 12:17 AM Re: The Pinker and his eyes [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #407373 - 02/15/2019 12:17 AM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	Quote: Connie Sutherland  Quote: Bob Scott Good ideas from all above. Why not marker training? It may have to start in the room/hall outside then into the bath room, then into the bathroom, tub, tub with very low water for very short duration, etc. HUGS for Pinker! I agree with you, Bob, on marker training being a great choice for this. The Karen Pryor article I linked above lays out those small steps much like what you're saying. I can't say that he ever started enjoying his "spa days," but he did stop screaming, and he did join me in the kitchen when he smelled the bacon being thawed/warmed, even though he knew that the bathtub and bacon were connected. With his baths and his unpleasant procedures (eyedrops, ear flushes, anything with his paws), I never weaned him away from the HV treats. All three dogs were pretty much bribed/paid for being calm about their most hated procedures, and I don't regret that at all. DUH! I totally missed the Karen Pryor article. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Connie Sutherland wrote 02/15/2019 12:26 AM Re: The Pinker and his eyes [Re: Bob Scott ] #407374 - 02/15/2019 12:26 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Bob Scott I've personally seen marker training to wonders with stressed dogs. My brother's Presa in particular. Brother Mike got Titan when Titan was 3. The dog's only issue was getting his nails done. The family that had him couldn't do titans nails without literally hog tying him. No vet, no groomers would touch him. Mike got him via a return to the breeder that is a friend of mine. Within a few weeks Mike was trimming Titan's nails with him calmly laying on his side. It works! It's SO impressive how many success stories I have known or read in posts about marker training and nail-clipping!
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Bob Scott wrote 02/15/2019 11:03 PM Re: The Pinker and his eyes [Re: Betty Landercasp ] #407375 - 02/15/2019 11:03 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	I was a bit skeptical when we started with Titan because he was off the charts with aggression and a mature dog when we started. I can't imagine how they even got him hog tied and muzzled. Just touching a foot would bring a curl in his lips but as it went so well I looked at that as very poor, uneducated choices by his previous owners. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Betty Landercasp wrote 02/16/2019 08:18 AM Re: The Pinker and his eyes [Re: Betty Landercasp ] #407376 - 02/16/2019 08:18 AM
Betty Landercasp Webboard User Reg: 11-30-2009 Posts: 3724 Loc: minnesota Offline	You guys are great. We will do all of it....the mat, the bacon, the marker training. I was just taken by surprise, really, with his howling during the pre-opthamologist bath. I guess he hasn't had a bath for several months, and his blindness has really progressed. I was busy, it was getting late in the day......just jumped into it, " now we are having a bath, that's it, quit complaining, it's got to happen, I have X,and Y and Z left to do today ". I hadn't planned on bathing him, but he fell off a round bale in to manure, there was no choice. ( I'd put him up on top of the bale to keep him safe while cleaning up said manure...never occurred to me that he might fall off the bale, the dangers of the blindness on the farm compound daily) And a bath might sort of hurt, the way it does to comb your hair the wrong way. Pink's hair is incredibly stiff and dense. Anyway, on to bacon and a mat, armed with a plan, we will be fine. http://s922.photobucket.com/albums/ad67/Grasvaly/
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Connie Sutherland wrote 02/16/2019 01:08 PM Re: The Pinker and his eyes [Re: Betty Landercasp ] #407377 - 02/16/2019 01:08 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Well, Betty, as to you being fine, I have no doubt. I'm sure that no one here has any. I don't think I know anyone who is more likely than you to make a plan and then carry it out successfully. (I'm reminded of Pinker about five years ago, after all his initial challenges, winning first prize here in a marker-training contest.) I'm wondering whether dog hair conditioner might be somehow helpful in the situation ... Lots of them are made. (Human conditioner would be the wrong pH, of course.)
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Mike Arnold wrote 02/16/2019 03:47 PM Re: The Pinker and his eyes [Re: Betty Landercasp ] #407378 - 02/16/2019 03:47 PM
Mike Arnold Webboard User Reg: 07-09-2004 Posts: 1344 Loc: CNY Offline	Betty, Well, you are a special person. And The Pinker is a most fortunate dog to have you. I have used peanut butter as a distraction, and cover for meds. And if I really want to distract the dog and keep its attention on the peanut butter, I use crunchy peanut butter and smear it on its jowls. I'm fortunate to have a bride who believes a dog bath is a two person job, so one holds and distracts, and the other attends to the business of the actual bath. A shared shower, so to speak, is our reward for collaboration. Good on you for your compassion. Mike A. Mike A. "I wouldn't touch that dog, son. He don't take to pettin." Hondo, played by John Wayne
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Betty Landercasp wrote 02/17/2019 08:52 AM Re: The Pinker and his eyes [Re: Betty Landercasp ] #407381 - 02/17/2019 08:52 AM
Betty Landercasp Webboard User Reg: 11-30-2009 Posts: 3724 Loc: minnesota Offline	At the end of the bath, I apply Pantenes " 3 minute miracle " hair conditioner.....wrong ph and all. Pinker knows that " 3 minute miracle" signals the end of torture. He know the words. He actually ( in the past) would relax somewhat when I rubbed it on. This time tho....no conditioner...and he did not feel any joy re the towel. No post bath zoomies. . He did destroy the towel, ripped it up to shreds ( he never destroys anything, ever) later, when he was supposed to be resting and drying by the wood stove. He was really freaked and frustrated. http://s922.photobucket.com/albums/ad67/Grasvaly/
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Connie Sutherland wrote 02/17/2019 10:46 AM Re: The Pinker and his eyes [Re: Betty Landercasp ] #407382 - 02/17/2019 10:46 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Oh, the poor little guy. I hope (and expect) that the slow and gentle marker work relieves him. ETA Those post-bath zoomies (I don't know whether my dogs did that to get drier or to relieve their bath feelings ... maybe both) -- it may be too scary to do zoomies with blindness. Edited by Connie Sutherland (02/17/2019 10:46 AM) Edit reason: edited to add
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