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Re: How do you start training the Object protection?
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#36431 - 08/18/2004 11:15 PM |
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Don, I started teaching the dog to go to the object by putting food in it or under it. I started with VCR tape cases. From there I started using different things after the dog knew what I wanted.
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Re: How do you start training the Object protection?
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#36432 - 08/19/2004 11:39 AM |
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David I'll give that a try VCR tape cover with food inside, hum good idea. I'll get back with you to see if its a brillant idea. If I can pull it off, thanks again. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Brandon when you say luring I take its with food like David mentioned. As for protecting a Motorcycle and a subject coming up on the other side I would think a perimeter would be guarded around the bike, that would make him stand and alert, but only attack when and if the bike was touched. Thanks Brandon I'll try that. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Just like FR in the purse or the little boy, who gave the commands, cute and nice work, there was a perimeter setup, wasn't it?
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Re: How do you start training the Object protection?
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#36433 - 08/19/2004 01:47 PM |
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Don, I would teach the place exercise first then overlay the guard exercise. You can teach the place with food or with electric. After you have a solid place it makes the guard training a little less stressful for the dog. Of course it's important that the dog understand that he's not guarding the area but thr object.
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Re: How do you start training the Object protection?
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#36434 - 08/19/2004 06:49 PM |
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in FR there are perimeters set up, but if i recall, they are mostly for the decoy, as in after the first perimeter the decoy has a specific amount of time to try for the object and the next perimeter the decoy has to go straight at the object, i'd have to look it up exactly.
the bite that the dog gets in ring is a quick bite, the decoy freezes, the dog lets go, and the decoy goes outside the perimeter. the dog doesn't even have to leave the object.
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Re: How do you start training the Object protection?
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#36435 - 08/19/2004 08:20 PM |
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In FR the decoy has five minutes to make three attempts at stealing the basket. After the bite, the decoy must retreat back at least five meters to start his next attempt. The best trained dogs don't leave the object before or after the bite.
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Re: How do you start training the Object protection?
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#36436 - 08/20/2004 11:28 AM |
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Brandon & Scott the dog does alert on the decoy before he touches the object doesn't he? What I mean by alert is that he stands and growls but does not attack until the decoy touches the object.
There is a bite that as long as the decoy holds on to the object then there is a release, right? Or is there a planned short bite? Did I missed that.
Ok are you guys sending the dog to object or you taking him to the object and downing him? After getting the treat out of the VCR holder I have to stop him from returning or get his attention at long distance to down him. This is the only step that I'm working on for now, its ok but not clean.
I question is the send away a neccessary step? Its cleaner to leave him in the down and then ask him to protect isn't it? I have not started this stage of training but I was just asking why, use a send away when the primary purpose is to protect the object?
There must be a reason everybody is suggesting step 1 send the dog to the object.
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Re: How do you start training the Object protection?
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#36437 - 08/20/2004 03:28 PM |
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I trained it that way because I want the dog first to understand the importance of being at the object and second because if the decoy pulls the dog away from the object, on the bite, the dog has to return to the object.
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#36438 - 08/20/2004 05:23 PM |
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That makes alot of sense to me now.
Thanks David, I guess I'll just keep chopping at this log, you know us young pups (training wise) are always trying to find a easier way. I should have know that there was a logical reason.
The question probably sound simple minded but Enquiring minds just wanted to know. :rolleyes:
Thanks you all for the info, we are making progress, send out on a "get it" command, after he gets his treat I'll give the down command. Wait a couple minutes, walk to him and then release him. We have repeated this several times a day, its getting to the point were as he finishes his treats he downs. Is it good that he is inticipating the down here? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Specail Thanks David, for making me see the light and starting down the right track.
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#36439 - 08/20/2004 06:00 PM |
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The intial send is not to guard the object but to send the dog to a place. You don't need a place command to teach the guard but if the dog has a solid place command you can get him back to the object quicker after a bite, etc... Later you could send the dog to an object by pointing and telling him place. then after he gets to the correct object that your pointing at you could command guard. There's no need to teach a dog that for FR.
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Re: How do you start training the Object protection?
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#36440 - 08/20/2004 09:53 PM |
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I dont see any problem with the anticipation. Remember you are teaching in steps. So far , in a short time, your dog has learned to go to the object and down. Thats what you wanted to accomplish. Dont move to fast though and build that up solid. Next "small" step would be to change the rules slightly wich would be changing the timing of the reward.So the next pitcure you would wanna see would be the dog going to the object and downing automatically. You could probably do that by putting the reward in the object so then the dog goes to the object and downs and waites till you come to him and open the object and let him get the reward, 'Kinda like a primary reward". Oh, you could probably change your command to "gaurd it" instead of "get it" if you wanted to. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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