I did see the tape...several times...and I know one of the officers who was at the scene. The guy was buzzed to the gills...on coke and steroids as I recall...so his pain receptors were turned off...add to that the adrenlin and the fact that he was a very strong guy in good condition and you saw what you did. I have seen it happen on more than one occasion, and I'm sure it will happen again. But if you ever run into him, ask him if he wants any more of that little dog and his friends...I know what the answer will be.

And, for your own safety, DON'T try this at home!

Originally posted by John Stowe:

My point, if there was a GSD that weighed 130lbs, yet retained it's...speed...etc. etc.
If frogs had wings, they wouldn't bump their @$$es when they hop...

What a productive topic. John, please tell me you don't breed giant GSDs.

Having taken bites and been involved in protection training with these breeds- GSDs, Malinois, Rotts, Dobies, APBTs, ABD, Presa Canario, Presa Pastor, Presa Malorquin, Cane Corso, and a Jagd Terrier (LOL). . .

I can honestly tell you that the dogs I would most want to AVOID in a fight would be the GSD and the Malinois, hands down.

Besides, if I had to deal with a giagantor on drugs. . .guess what. . .sending the dog wouldn't be my first choice of actions.

I love th big dog/little dog debate......

I owned a 135# GSD. No he wasn't as agile as a smaller dog, I never saw anybody out run him (until he was 13). You may have been able to make him miss a time or two, but not many and he would still get you in the end. And when he got you, you go down and stay down. Even at that size they are much quicker than you would think.

For what I want from a dog I like big dogs. I like the intimidation factor, and a 100# + dog is intimidating. If a breed is designed to carry that type of size they can be very quick even at that size. I would but a 125# BRT agains a similar size dog of almost any other breed for speed and quickness. A dog that size shouldn't be that quick. But they were designed to be that big and still be fairly quick.

If I was in another situation were I was looking for a dog to operate in small quarters, or if I may have to carry the dog around either to get it out of an area or in to an area, I would want a smaller breed.

The only thing I don't care for in the smaller breeds is the tendancy to leave their feet to bite. I think that is mostly trained in to them. It is impressive for sport or demonstrations, but in reality I would rather the dog stay on the ground longer so it can react to the person. It decreases the chance that the person will be able to avoid the initial attempt. If I need the dog I want the altercation over quickly. Larger dog do tend to stay down longer and use their size to their advantage.

Breed Giant GSD's.. hehe.. Did you think that was one incredibly long drawn out sales pitch without the punchline? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

No I don't breed anything, although I do have a desire to someday, right now I don't have the space, time, or knowledge. Maybe when I retire.

I have two dogs, an APBT male 55 lbs., and an American Bulldog (performance, not johnson) male 82 lbs. Not titled or anything, just well behaved pets, who serve as a deterrent/alarm.

Giant GSD's, hmm. there's a concept, although I have seen some that I assumed were from American Lines, that had to be atleast 120lbs.

I think that when people see that barking, full forward, 80-90lbs GSD male. . .well. . .I bet they describe that dog as being much larger later.

The breed is intimidating because people know what they can do.

A big black fluff ball isn't intimidating. . .LOL

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Oh yeah, 70-80lbs for a male GSD is on the smaller side.

I'd be willing to bet that the average in working lines is right around 85 lbs, more like between 80-90.

70 is right around Malinois size.

Anyway, back to the topic. . .

You can't forget what the uses of the police K9 are. That huge dog isn't going to be as well suited to all the aspects of the job that the, more versitile, 85 lbs dog will be able to do.

Building searches, getting into nooks and crannies, getting over fences and walls, all the dope work in smaller confined areas (cars/trucks), etc, etc, etc. . .

Besides, the faster and more agile dog to the bite will be the safer dog in a street situation. (and yes the high flying bite is trained, make a good dog miss once or twice and he'll stay grounded looking to nail you low)

I don't think the rare exceptions where large size would make a difference outweights the other more common situations where greater size will not make a difference. . .or will be a disadvantage.

The dog is the perfect size for the job, ask 99% of the people that get bit and hit the ground screaming like pigs in a slaughterhouse.

I have 70 lb. male gsd that runs like the wind, is super agile and can jump and climb about anything. In spite of his smaller (but rock solid) size I've had various trainers, both K-9 and otherwise, tell me he is one of the hardest biting dogs they've ever worked with.

For sure this dog can be picked up and thrown. But if he grabs a hold of the assailant first, their arm might go with him. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

But then the video may not have been filmed if the 'well conditioned ex-Marine' was being chased by a Rottie or American Bulldog, they would have been left behind panting in the dust.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />