Lou:Paul I might have ONE friend left. As long as I keep up the payments that is.
As for testing the tigers, I'd toss them someone who's pissed me off. If they ate him, they'd pass.
I must laugh at lou's stake out test . if the dog is staked out he has to fight because flight has been removed . his thoughts on the muzzle test are near fictional .
bill thurmon wrote: I must laugh at lou's stake out test . if the dog is staked out he has to fight because flight has been removed . his thoughts on the muzzle test are near fictional .
LC: You're right bill that the dog can't flee during my stake out test and THAT'S THE POINT. The dog doesn't have to fight either and if it's not in him, he won't. All that's necessary is that he display any of a number of body languages that show that he doesn't have the drive necessary to pass the test. Some of them are, "trying to flee." "show(ing) some hair. "avoidance or coupling." "His barking may change in pitch, an ear will flick, (the first sign of avoidance), he may occasionally glance over to where he last saw his handler, but mostly he will not be able to maintain eye contact."
LC: It's interesting that you don't care for my test. Variations of it are used by dog trainers across the US.
LC: Why don't you post your version of a police dog test here where it can be reviewed by people who know something about training police dogs. I've seen it. It will REALLY get people laughing.
Lou Castle has been kicked off this board. He is an OLD SCHOOL DOG TRAINER with little to offer.
Well Lou,there are a lot of us out here that dont know how to select police dogs as from my knowledge a lot of us use a version of your stake out and I have never had a problem with it,except the time the lead broke.
Perhaps we are all in the wrong game.
Paul
Josh wrote. It sounds funny to some, but I think you can look in a dogs eyes, look at body posture and attitude and have a fairly good idea what they are about.
Problem is Josh you have got to know what you are doing to apply this method.
Paul
Bill,
As I see it, and have used a test VERY much like Lou's and have had outstanding results from it. And, having watched Lou actually test several dogs using it. And, knowing the Donn Yarnall subscribes to pretty much the same test. And, Kevin also states he uses his own version of the stake out test....why don't you please post YOUR version of YOUR test with an explanation of why it works and how dogs react during the test to make a pass or fail judgement on your part? Please show us point by point examples of why Lou, Kevin, Donn or my own stake out test are so flawed in your opinion.
This is not a bashing post, but if you are going to call something "a laugh" please back it up with your own ideas and explanations as to why.
As to your own version of what you think is "fictional" about Lou's muzzle statements, please clarify for all of us. I don't see much wrong with his statements and in fact agree with 99.9% of his post about muzzle work. Just because a muzzle is on and the dog is working is not the only test for a dog's streetworthiness. That also said, there are several dogs I have known over the years that do not work that well in a muzzle for more than a few moments that were outstanding PSDs.
Instead of posting quick one line replies, give us YOUR opinions in detail to be discussed. Perhaps you will prove us wrong, or give us a different view or opinion in which to change ideas.
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