Joseph, have you tried not medicating her? Many times, it will clear up on its own.

Spaying would also solve the problem.

Originally posted by Kristen Cabe:
Joseph, have you tried not medicating her? Many times, it will clear up on its own.

Spaying would also solve the problem. Yes, I held out for a while and it only got worse. I wasn't willing to let it get beyond the point of no return. It's just one of those quirky things. The long and short of it is I'll continue to use Ivermectin until something happens that indicates otherwise. As far as spaying, not a chance.

I was taught .1cc per 10lbs. I use a 1cc syringe. I use Ivermectin 1%.

The long and short of it is I'll continue to use Ivermectin until something happens that indicates otherwise. As far as spaying, not a chance.
I wasn't saying anything bad about Ivomec - I use it on my own dog for heartworm preventative, and used it when she had demodex as well. Something else you might want to try is boosting her immune system just before and during her heat cycle. You can do this very simply by giving her a B-complex vitamin (not high potency) and an Ester C vitamin once daily, and a Zinc vitamin every two to three days. Get the vitamins from the human-vitamin section in Kmart or Walmart. Other things can also be given to boost the immune system, but these three vitamins will also do the trick, and may eliminate her after-heat-demo altogether.

Why do you say there's not a chance of having her spayed? Is she too young, according to the people on here that say a dog must be left intact until at least age 1.5? Are you afraid she'll lose drive? Become lazy and fat? Something else? The fact that she has recurring demodex is reason enough not to breed her. Demodex is caused by a suppressed immune system, and that genetic flaw is, in turn, passed down to the offspring if that dog is bred. Not something you'd want to have to deal with either before or after the puppies are off to new homes - the new owners calling you up demanding that you pay vet bills because your puppies contracted mange.

Originally posted by Kristen Cabe:
The long and short of it is I'll continue to use Ivermectin until something happens that indicates otherwise. As far as spaying, not a chance.
I wasn't saying anything bad about Ivomec - I use it on my own dog for heartworm preventative, and used it when she had demodex as well. Something else you might want to try is boosting her immune system just before and during her heat cycle. You can do this very simply by giving her a B-complex vitamin (not high potency) and an Ester C vitamin once daily, and a Zinc vitamin every two to three days. Get the vitamins from the human-vitamin section in Kmart or Walmart. Other things can also be given to boost the immune system, but these three vitamins will also do the trick, and may eliminate her after-heat-demo altogether.

Why do you say there's not a chance of having her spayed? Is she too young, according to the people on here that say a dog must be left intact until at least age 1.5? Are you afraid she'll lose drive? Become lazy and fat? Something else? The fact that she has recurring demodex is reason enough not to breed her. Demodex is caused by a suppressed immune system, and that genetic flaw is, in turn, passed down to the offspring if that dog is bred. Not something you'd want to have to deal with either before or after the puppies are off to new homes - the new owners calling you up demanding that you pay vet bills because your puppies contracted mange. Thanks for the advice on pre-season boosting. I'll keep that in mind for the next time. As far as spaying. Well, that's just not a consideration for her. I'm not against spaying in general. But in her case, no.

Just a reminder to keep it to the topic. This is about Mals and Ivomec, not about spaying Joe's MalX.

Mentioning spaying her may help with the dex isn't a problem. Turning every opportunity for a pro-spay/neuter rant is.

Originally posted by Edgar Torres:
I was taught .1cc per 10lbs. I use a 1cc syringe. I use Ivermectin 1%. Waaaay over dosing!

For heartworm preventative it's less than .1 cc(point one cc) per 100 pounds if using the 1 percent solution. .1 cc (point one cc)per 10 pounds is the dosage for livestock not dogs.

If you give 1 cc for a 100 pound dog that's 220 mcg per kilogram of dog. Heartworm preventative dose is 6 (yes SIX) to 11 mcg/pound. This has been figured out for the one percent (livestock) solution.

Dosages for sarcoptes or demodex are different. The recommended (but off label)dose is 50 times the HW dose- or close to the .1 cc per 10 pounds, with a different dosing schedule.

Problems with the blood/brain barrier is usually found within the white footed breeds, though individuals of other breeds may have problems too. A blood test is available to check for sensitivity (somewhere between 60-100 mcg can be deadly).

Anna

Joseph, you're welcome. I have quite a few "natural cures" for demodex on my computer at home if you're interested. Treating the cause is always better than treating the symptoms, though I did both (vitamin regimen and Ivomec) with my dog because hers was generalized demo, originally triggered from the stress of being in the shelter and receiving a bunch of vaccines at once, and then re-triggered when she received her 1 year booster shot - which I protested but the vet said she would be fine. NOT. We had to start another round of treatment just two weeks after she had received the shot. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> I'm not one to give yearly boosters, but because of all that she and her system went through, I gave her a final "booster" in November just to make sure that she was fully protected. She'll be 3 in February, and from now on, will not be getting vaccinated any further unless her antibody levels drop. Anyways, if you're interested, I'll be more than happy to post them or privately e-mail them to you. Sorry I got a little long-winded there! lol


Deanna, that is why I mentioned it. I was not rude, nasty, or hateful; nor did I say anything along the lines of "spay her or be eternally damned," or anything like that, so I am offended by your saying I was turning this thread into a "pro spay/neuter rant". I simply made a statement about heat cycles causing recurring demodex and how a dog which HAS recurring demodex should not be bred.


Oh, and Anna is exactly right about the dosages. The 0.1cc per 10 pounds is the approximate dosage for treatment of demodex. For heartworm preventative, the dosage is MUCH less.

I've been using Ivomec injection for cattle/swine 1% at a dose of .1cc to every 22lbs of canine weight, given orally with food.

A tuberculen syringe, which is long and thin and only holds 1 cc total is marked well for giving exact doses - pick up a few, they're also the same syringes that diabetics use. They're cheap, give exact measurement, and you just throw them away after you're finished. Easy, eh? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />