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#45034 - 08/05/2002 06:09 PM |
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My point excactly; As i stated in my previous reply, you must check the background of the dog! It is a very simple process.Kudos to the breeder who retracted the title. Somewhat puzzled though that the breeder didnt even know what he was buying! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> I would think twice about doing business with them because if the breeder doesnt know what he is buying how can he make an informed decision on your wants and needs?? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
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#45035 - 08/06/2002 11:19 PM |
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Sorry it took so long for me to respond. I've been out of town. To answer some questions, I've had rotties my whole life (I'm 32), but they were always show lines from the same breeder who was a friend of the family. I am now doing research on getting into working lines because I want to get into Schutzhund. Everyone says to make sure you research the lines, but how do I know what I'm looking for? From what I could see in Racker's lines, pretty much every dog in the pedigree, and most if not all in the bitches', were at least Sch I if not more. Can someone please explain to me what to look for? I'm also looking at possibly going with GSD, haven't quite decided yet.
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#45036 - 08/07/2002 12:02 AM |
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I don't know how true this is but I was told if a lot of the females on the pedigree have Sch11's and Sch111's its a good chance the dog is from working lines. A fella I work with has a very nice GSD from German lines. When I asked to see the papers, he proudly showed me all the Sch titled dogs. Males had 2's and 3's, very few females had more than 1's. There were lots of SV's. The Gurus on this board can probably tell lots more or if what I've been told is true. Find someone on this board with working Rots an ask, ask, ask, lots of questions.
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#45037 - 08/10/2002 10:45 PM |
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Rottieman,
The male has Teufelsbrucke in the pedigree and is apparently now being bred to a Wappen bitch.
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#45038 - 08/13/2002 03:23 PM |
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i have been told that when the female has only a schh.1 title,more times than not the breeder will just put the BH,ZTP and schH.1 on the female to get her in the breeding.i know of several females that only has a 1 on them and are very good workers,wouldn't have a problem with the 2 or 3.the owner told me the female is more valuable to them in the welping box than on the schH. field. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#45039 - 08/13/2002 04:02 PM |
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Joe I looked at your ped at the Flinks seminar.
you'd also have to consider who the dog is from, i.e. Doc, Bea, Santo, Falko, Dingo and so forth. DOC von der TEUFELSBRUCKE - Int'l CH. SchH III, FH, IPO III, BH, AD, Korung, HD-, Multiple V-1 rated in Conformation. 1995 IFR Weltseiger.
International Champion
BEA von der TEUFELSBRUCKE
SchH III, FH, AD, IPOIII, Lifetime Korung
HD+/-, 88-Bundesjungendsiegerin,
88-Klubjungendsiegerin,
91-Bundessiegerin,
92-Austrian Siergerin
Int'l. CH. SANTO vom SCHWAIGER WAPPEN
WS/, EPS, AS, SchH III, IPO III, FH, AD, Korung, Gekort, Multi. V-1 Rated, Medallion Specialty Winner, Best in Show Bayern Sieger, Landsberg Sieger ,Nurenburg Sieger, 1986 &87 Berger Sieger
FALCO von der TEUFELSBRUCKE- Int'l., DT. VDH-CH.1993 Swiss Klubssieger, 1994-Austrian Bundessieger, 1994, 1995 Klubssieger, 1995, 1997 Europassieger. Multiple Most Beautiful Dog in Show, Multiple V-1 rated in Conformation
Int'l. CH.
DINGO von SCHWAIGER WAPPEN
SchH III, Gekort EzA, BS 1980, &1981, KS 1980, ES
I have bolded the 'show' titles. Sorry, I don't know many working line dogs who goto the seiger shows over and over and over again.
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#45041 - 08/13/2002 04:31 PM |
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Ok so I tried to bold the show titles. Oh well. My point is still there.
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#45042 - 08/13/2002 04:45 PM |
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Todd,
So conformation and working are mutually exclusive???? This sounds like a great sport line at a minimum. It would depend on how well the dogs worked for protection. I would applaud a breeder that titles their dogs in both conformation and a "working" title. Not doing this is a big part of what created the current situation in the GSD. The end result is working dogs that don't look like the breed and show dogs that can't work.
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#45043 - 08/13/2002 04:46 PM |
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I see the point you are trying to make, however, a III is still a III, FH is still an FH and so on. Unless, of course it was some bullshit book signing trial. Just because the dog has done well in the conformatin arena doesn't make them just white picket fence dogs. Granted, Rotts are not world renowned in sport like GSD's or Mals, but the titles in the lines are there and when not many of the breed go to worlds or nationals, all we have ot rely upon are the titles and scores, which are there.
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