alan, any time one specific trait is focused on, the others suffer. in the case of the dogs you mentioned, they were bred for size and it appears that is the only thing they have accomplished. as a whole, those dogs are completely worthless. they have alot of health related problems, serious temperament flaws and undesirable traits.
if there are no dogs in heaven, then when i die i want to go where they went. ---will rogers
I've read that the Shilo Shepherds where mixed with large American GSD, European GSD and Great Pryerenes they run anywhere for 29-32 inches at the nap, and 120 - 150lbs and usually have very long coat obviously the size and coat is influence by the GP, so basicailly its a large mutt. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
The article goes on to read about the breeds mild temperment and ability to defend, it even talked about Shilo's that are working dogs. I believe they mean sheep and cow herders, this might be true because both of inbreeds have flock tending skills.
I've never seen a Shilos as a police dog or in SchH though its possible a unique dog of this breed could be a SchH dog.
Not bad looking dogs they are just not GSD and way to hairy. The way a normal size GSD sheds imagine a 150 lb with longer hair.
SO, not too long ago my trainer told me the "story" of the Shiloh Shepherd. Supposedly this woman "Tina" bought a long coated GSD from my trainer years ago to "create a new breed". I did not put much (if any) weight into her story until today....I saw this post and decided to check out the Shiloh Shepherd Dog Club of America website and lough and behold...there is a photograph of my trainer (20 some years ago) in a Schutzhund match with on of her foundation dogs Wolfgar...It is 'supposed' to be a Shiloh Shepherd. It is a AKC registered GSD (american). It has never belonged to this Tina Barber person.
I like a big dog but not one with a lot of hair, little drive and health problems. I like a lot of hair on my woman not my dog.
I have a bite trained working GSD who weighs 100 lbs with a big head, thick neck and chest and is fearless with a high drive and a powerful bite. I like big dogs but I don't think I'm interested in a St Bernard that looks like a German Shepherd... but to each his own.
I actually have a dog that's half Shiloh/half Czech and East German. (Mom was the Shiloh half). ;-) I'm doing SchH with him, and he's got enough drive for it...believe it or not. He's kinda neurotic at home, but I think he's intimidated by my fiancee, who is 6'6", and sometimes doesn't know his own strength. He's actually the perfect dog for me, as he's got enough drive for SchH, but he's not pushy at home. Our other Shep Magnum is 100% working lines, and that dog has waaaayy too much drive for me. Magnum is my man's dog, and is very much a daddy's boy. I love Mags, but I couldn't deal with him on my own...he's a bit too bullheaded and pushy for my taste! :-P
Originally posted by VanCamp Robert: I guess I believe you. . .just goes to prove the potence of the Czech bloodlines. LOL
Well, we just started back in April, and we're still a ways off even from BH, but so far so good. :-) He's getting biiiig too...he's about 30" at the shoulder, and he's starting to fill out and lose that "bag-o-bones" look...for awhile there it looked like I was starving the poor boy, and in all actuality he was eating like a horse! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
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