Mike Russell wrote 12/19/2002 12:30 AM Re: Long Haired Working GSDs [Re: Brad Gargis ] #47802 - 12/19/2002 12:30 AM
Mike Russell Webboard User Reg: 09-26-2001 Posts: 706 Loc: Offline	ok Butch, for the last time...LOL Let Fanni grow in her adult coat and don't worry about it. At worst, she's a "long stock coat" which is nothing like a "coated" dog. She still has an undercoat, and when her adult coat comes in, she will more than likely be a standard "stock coat" GSD. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Mike Russell BANNED FROM THE LEERBURG BOARD
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Brad Gargis wrote 12/19/2002 01:24 AM Re: Long Haired Working GSDs [Re: Brad Gargis ] #47803 - 12/19/2002 01:24 AM
Brad Gargis Webboard User Reg: 02-09-2002 Posts: 659 Loc: Offline	I like the way they look but it's not a must with me, especially since I like function. The thing about dogs is you hear and read so many perspectives. One minute one will claim the GSD needs and should use every prospect available, the next minute it's not a problem. That's why I ask. Thanks for the insight.
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Robert VanCamp wrote 12/19/2002 01:33 AM Re: Long Haired Working GSDs [Re: Brad Gargis ] #47804 - 12/19/2002 01:33 AM
Robert VanCamp Webboard User Reg: 11-28-2001 Posts: 3916 Loc: Offline	The breed needs every prospect, just not the coated ones. . .hope it doesn't come to that.
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Lee Baragona wrote 12/19/2002 07:31 AM Re: Long Haired Working GSDs [Re: Brad Gargis ] #47805 - 12/19/2002 07:31 AM
Lee Baragona Webboard User Reg: 03-29-2002 Posts: 926 Loc: Offline	VanCamp, remember that Troll daughter in my club that I told is the best darn dog I have EVER laid eyes on, bar none? Yep, long coat. And I'd breed her all day long. When they're THAT exceptional, you bet I'd breed it. The question I would ask as a breeder is "does this dog have something to ADD to the breed, to improve it?" and the answer is a resounding yes. The fact that she IS a long coat tells you that somewhere in the wood pile of BOTH the mother and father, an awesome dog in his own right, are long coated ancestors that were bred in Germany.
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Robert VanCamp wrote 12/19/2002 07:37 AM Re: Long Haired Working GSDs [Re: Brad Gargis ] #47806 - 12/19/2002 07:37 AM
Robert VanCamp Webboard User Reg: 11-28-2001 Posts: 3916 Loc: Offline	<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
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Joe Jones wrote 12/19/2002 08:21 AM Re: Long Haired Working GSDs [Re: Brad Gargis ] #47807 - 12/19/2002 08:21 AM
Joe Jones Webboard User Reg: 02-06-2002 Posts: 102 Loc: Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Lee Baragona - Sch3FH2: VanCamp, remember that Troll daughter in my club that I told is the best darn dog I have EVER laid eyes on, bar none? Yep, long coat. And I'd breed her all day long. When they're THAT exceptional, you bet I'd breed it. The question I would ask as a breeder is "does this dog have something to ADD to the breed, to improve it?" and the answer is a resounding yes. The fact that she IS a long coat tells you that somewhere in the wood pile of BOTH the mother and father, an awesome dog in his own right, are long coated ancestors that were bred in Germany. Well, I'm certainly no geneticist, thus my question for those that may have this kind of knowledge. If Lee did breed the "long" coated bitch to a correct coat stud, is there any way to predict the throw of offspring, i.e. long coats to correct coats or, alternatively, would the litter produce the long stock coats? Semper Fi, Five-O Joe "When the tailgate drops, the BS stops"
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Lee Baragona wrote 12/19/2002 08:34 AM Re: Long Haired Working GSDs [Re: Brad Gargis ] #47808 - 12/19/2002 08:34 AM
Lee Baragona Webboard User Reg: 03-29-2002 Posts: 926 Loc: Offline	The long coat is a simple Mendelian recessive, so breeding to a male who doesn't carry the long coat allele would produce an entire litter of normal coated dogs, tho they would all carry the long coat recessive allele. If the male had a hidden recessive for the long coat, you would get (statistically) 50% normal pups that carried the hidden recessive and 50% long coats like the mother.
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Joe Jones wrote 12/19/2002 08:44 AM Re: Long Haired Working GSDs [Re: Brad Gargis ] #47809 - 12/19/2002 08:44 AM
Joe Jones Webboard User Reg: 02-06-2002 Posts: 102 Loc: Offline	Originally posted by Lee Baragona - Sch3FH2: The long coat is a simple Mendelian recessive, so breeding to a male who doesn't carry the long coat allele would produce an entire litter of normal coated dogs, tho they would all carry the long coat recessive allele. If the male had a hidden recessive for the long coat, you would get (statistically) 50% normal pups that carried the hidden recessive and 50% long coats like the mother. I knew we had a nobel prize winner somewhere on the board. Thanks, very interesting. Semper Fi, Five-O Joe "When the tailgate drops, the BS stops"
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TammyBreton wrote 12/19/2002 09:48 AM Re: Long Haired Working GSDs [Re: Brad Gargis ] #47810 - 12/19/2002 09:48 AM
TammyBreton Webboard User Reg: 05-02-2002 Posts: 93 Loc: Offline	Well i have long coated gsd, and i believe that they are most beautiful dogs ever laid eyes on. and that they are very under rated. i prefer to have a gsd that looks a little differant from the rest. she gets alot of compliments. i also believe that they can do any of the work any other gsd can do. i also agree with black gsd, i have never seen/had ear infections with mine, after all, the long tufts are on the outside of the ear. i also would love to see coated/long haired gsd in the shows, why not? they show the 3 coat styles of other breeds of dogs, dashhunds, corti walshes, terries, etc.(excuse spelling.) infact, i chose my dog over the standard coats, because of the beautiful uninqueness of her coat. i truly hope that people will continue to breed the coated gsd, as well as the shiloh shepard, not to the start anything, just my shareing my feelings.
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TammyBreton wrote 12/19/2002 09:52 AM Re: Long Haired Working GSDs [Re: Brad Gargis ] #47811 - 12/19/2002 09:52 AM
TammyBreton Webboard User Reg: 05-02-2002 Posts: 93 Loc: Offline	also it is a plus that long haired shepards shed less, because they do not have that double coat, i know this to be a fact cause i have 2 gsd short and long, guess who could make the most sweaters?
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