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#51171 - 09/01/2004 06:34 PM |
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Looks like the "Truhund" is just some black malinois.
http://www.bloedlijnen.nl/stamboom.php?ID=1220
I guess if you mirror the photo on photo editor then he becomes a new breed <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Truhund
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#51172 - 09/02/2004 12:45 AM |
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I recieved an answer from Van Asguard about the Truhund:
>>>>It is developed from exclusively
Dutch KNPV/German Police Working Dog Lines . . . bred for optimum size,
agility, quickness, hardness, fighting drive, and stability. The actual genetics
are not being made public quite yet . . . but I can say that the predomoninate
breeding is Dutch KNPV - PH1 & PH2 Titled Malinois blended with German PSP
Certified Police Work Dobermann.
Yes, the Truhund breed is very interesting . . . but this is a young breed
and the testing still goes on!<<<<
A friend of mine is now working with a breed he imported from Europe and it's without doubt some kind of a cur dog. To me it looks like a Mal X GSD cross with more Mal than GSD. Anyway, he has hopes for it beyond anything else he has.
He had another one he got in from Europe he named "Fat Head." He looked like some kind of bandog or American Bull Dog crossed with a Mal. It was awesome! It had a huge head and body (about 100 lbs) with drives like a Mal. It would climb a 9 foot chain link kennel wall to squeeze out a 10" opening when he seen a sleeve on the other side. He is now working the streets of Las Vegas.
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Re: Truhund
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#51173 - 09/02/2004 02:36 AM |
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Yea, mal with touch of groenendal and gsd. (it is in papers)
They have such mixes working for 100 of years and they call them by majority of breed that is in blood. Why invent new breeds?
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Re: Truhund
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#51174 - 09/02/2004 08:11 AM |
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I don't know. You'll have to ask someone who knows more than me. Maybe hybrid vigor?
Crossing them up isn't for me though. Can you imagine the time, work and effort that would go into that with no guarantee of any results?
Maybe they are tired of the watered down purebreds and are trying to make a new super working breed, I don't know. I'd just as soon try and improve what we already have.
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#51175 - 09/02/2004 12:23 PM |
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I don't know what all the fuss is about, some of the Older breeds, (Like Rott or Bloodhounds) feel the GSD is nothing but a refined mutt that was bred into the making of a Super Dog. I like the way "Breed All About It", started their topic on the GSD, and of course they highlighted SchH training.
No excuses or aplogies like they mentioned for the Sighthounds, Bernese Mt.Dogs and other dogs, their jobs are not much needed anymore. The sighthound in its prime hunted for the Kings of Egypt, now they are just....
They ended the show with, if there was ever a bred that could do it all.
The Truhund looks to be potent I can't wait to hear how he test out. And Fathead did he look more Mal or did he have a square head like a Massif?
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#51176 - 09/02/2004 01:35 PM |
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Whoever thought sighthounds weren't a viable breed-type anymore hasn't been to the track lately. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Not to mention open field coursing. There's 3 or 4 open field (all sighthound breeds) events every weekend within driving distance of me, and they pull 50+ dogs on an average weekend.
I don't put much stock in that "ancient breed" stuff, unless you are pulling farm dogs off plateaus in outer mongolia.
Even my "ancient" breed, greyhounds, was successfully adulterated in the late 1700 with bully blood to give the dogs more "bottom" (and introduced brindle coloring into the breed). And it wasn't so long ago that whippet vs. greyhound was a matter of size. Now the stud book tells us we have big whippies and small greys <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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#51177 - 09/02/2004 03:12 PM |
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Stephen the sighthound was not bred to chase plastic sacks and toy rabbits. The most practical use I've seen for greyhounds is to rid ranches from stray coyotes that have goten too close to for comfort. Nasty and vicious but closer then chasing the platic sacks.
You can make some dough betting on the Greyhounds on the track thats pretty productive. But I think that show was taking about the larger long hair sighthound I can' think of the name of that bred of the cuff. Long haired and parted in the middle? Hell anyway you know which one I'm talking about. Its tough when you start getting old.
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#51178 - 09/02/2004 05:03 PM |
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Well Don, I PM'd you with some 40 years hunting experience with sighthounds. Saying a hound won't hunt cause it's got enough prey drive to chase a lure is like saying a working border collie won't herd 'cause it will try to head cars coming up the road <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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#51179 - 09/03/2004 03:57 AM |
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Don,
Fat Head had a Mal's body shape and standard markings with the head looking right in-between a Mal and a bully. Over all, besides the size he looked more Mal than anything else with a big head that wasn't all mal, it was square shaped to a degree but he did have a nasty drive to go along with big build.
My friend don't care if they are crosses or have no pedigree so they send him this unusual stuff from time to time. I'd have to ask him where Fathead came from. If I had to guess it was Holland. Maybe they are working on a new breed of "Fatheads" and he was part of the ongoing work.
He would climb that 9 foot chain link kennel as fast as a cat and squeezed his body through that narrow 10" opening between the top of the fence and the roof, he'd squeeze through like putty but only when he seen there was a bite on the other side.
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#51180 - 09/08/2004 12:54 PM |
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Stephen I read your PM on the sighthound pretty impressive, I guess they can be a joy to own.
Great prey drive and cna do something when they catch teh prey!
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