I know that this is an old topic, but I hope someone will still read my questions/comments on this subject.
My pup (11wks old) has gotten somewhat used to his choke collar. My breeder/trainer used the prong collar on her during the heel/walk training. She responded so much with it. I have done some research on this and it appears that the choke collar has more trauma to the neck and etc. than the prong collar.
I bought one and tried it once. I was so afraid of hurting her. I didn't seem to mind very much her yellping when he used it, but when I did it, it almsost killed me. I know she is smart, but she needs alot of manners taught. How can I get over the fear of hurting her??????????
When I received my 8 week old GSD I would put on and take off of him a small prong collar. I didn't attach a leash to it until he as at least 16 weeks. And from there I didn't administer a correction until he was 6 months old. Nor did I leave it on him unless I was with him. I just wanted him to get used to it and not to go into avoidance with it. Maybe it wasn't necessary but a friend of mind had serious problems with his lab going into avoidance every time he brought out the prong.
I will take your advice on the prong collar. I have ordered the video (8wks to 8 mon.)I hope it will help me. I read the reviews and appears that it is a very good video. Thanks
Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003
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Sorry,
Using a prong is a correction - it's compulsion, plain and simple. And that's just fine, compulsion has it's place in dog training.
But when you re-name compulsion in a new age title, like calling it "motivational correction", you're attempting to put a camoflage on it - usually to cover up the point that you're using compulsion. That's a common tactic of pet trainers that peddle their crap over the internet. I've never met an upper level trainer/ handler that didn't call compulsion by it's real name, whether in the U.S., or over in Europe.
So feel free to call compulsion by whatever name that you want to. It doesn't change the nature of the type of correction that it is by any degree. If calling it by a different name helps you fool yourself ( or God forbid, your students ) just bite the bullet and go to clicker training .
And I for one wouldn't trust a training source that has to cover up what a correction is by re-naming it. I'd question the ethics of said source immediately, or it's intelligence. :rolleyes:
Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003
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Alberto,
Your two posts there are copied verbatum from Adam Katz's crap book "Secrets of a Professional Dog Trainer" - it's on page 63, for those that are interested.
Posting an idea that someone published and not giving them credit is called plagiarizing. Look up it's meaning.
Trying to pass off idea's that you've stolen from someone else, no matter how big a fool he is, is wrong. :rolleyes:
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