I agree, learning theory applies to all animals including the human version. If you have Lindsey's Vol. 1, don't waste your money on Excel-lerated Learning. It's strictly a "beginner" learning theory book to appeal to the masses who don't like reading heavy duty college texts (which is most rational people with a life!).
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How Dogs Learn... I found that book to be VERY informative!! That was the first book of it's kind that I read and I really loved it!! Never before had I come across a book that broke down dog training so analytically and scientificly.
But I suppose that is another thread!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
No one ever said life was supposed to be easy, life is what you make of it!!
I'm sure VanCamp will wade in (somewhere around 2AM...his normal time <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> ). I remember him telling me how much he enjoyed Pryor's books.
Of my shelves full of dog books, Lindsey's Vol 1 and Vol 2 are at the top of the must read. Course the're the heavy duty college texts that Lee is refering to. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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OOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEE
Now dems is fightin' wards. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />
The only Pryor I like has the first name of Richard, not Karen. Although both are good at making me laugh. . . <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Pryor's book was a pain to read, but it wasn't terrible. Donaldson's book is terrible. I have to admit that the most stimulating "training" book I have read in the last few years wasn't a training book at all. . .it was a simpleton college text that Lee recomended to me a while ago. The name of the author escapes me now, I'm not at home or I would go look. I think the title is Motivation: Learning Theory and Principles.
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Kelton wrote: "Rather, I appreciate that these books are finally introducing science to the practice of dog training. The principles described were well known even in the 50's to behaviorist, but people were reluctant to go through the learning curve AND old traditions die hard...and, just as likely, they felt that dog behavior is not subject to the principles of a science of behavior."
These trainers are certainly not the only people FINALLY introducing the principles of science to dog training.
Kelton also wrote: "in theory, though, these animals should also respond in accordance with behavioral principles!"
They certainly do, but as their levels of drive go up (exponentially when compared to the average pet dog) control work at the higher levels of reliability may need to be completed using the dark side of the operant model, +P and -R.
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