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#53606 - 07/29/2002 10:59 PM |
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Originally posted by Schnauzergirl- Deanna:
Butch, if I may, the fact that the SVV ZVV titles are not offered here will not be the determining factor in how the bloodlines are handled, the individuals breeding them will. I am not sure that this is true. If the titles were offered here, then there would be a place that this system of training and titling would take place and thus creating intrest and exposure to the Czech dogs.
Unless the Chech dogs get involved in Schutzhund here in America, and a top handler is handling them in the trials, they will not have the influence on the breed. It is a shame.
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Re: Competition Level Czech Dogs
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#53607 - 07/29/2002 11:03 PM |
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Yes, I understand that. Here lies the problem as I see it.
The Czech dogs will not be trained as the foundation stock had been. That being said, different training will create different tendicies in their offspring.
I see a problem for all Czech dog owners if the same level and type training do not continue here in the US
I hope I'm wrong about this, have any of the Czech owners/breeders have any concerns with this??
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Re: Competition Level Czech Dogs
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#53608 - 07/29/2002 11:07 PM |
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That is a good observation Butch. It is true that diffrent training will produce a different dog in a few generations. You are breeding for different needs, in some cases. It will boil down to the breeder.
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#53609 - 07/29/2002 11:13 PM |
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I think the problem comes from a little different direction. One is that breeders are going to breed for the test the dog is being used for. So you are going to see the dogs move more towards the dogs seen in SchH now. The other thing is that with out a similar test, you don't know if the dogs are maintaining the same chacteristics becasue you are no longer testing for those chacteristics.
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Re: Competition Level Czech Dogs
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#53610 - 07/29/2002 11:14 PM |
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Originally posted by Schnauzergirl- Deanna:
Butch, if I may, the fact that the SVV ZVV titles are not offered here will not be the determining factor in how the bloodlines are handled, the individuals breeding them will. That is a good observation Butch. It is true that diffrent training will produce a diffrent dog in a few generations. You are breeding for diffrent needs, in some cases. It will boil down to the breeder. Read the last part of each statement and tell me you aren't tired? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> It must be past your bedtime dude.
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It boils down to the breeder. As others have mentioned. I would love to get a governing body here to attain these titles. However, until one is in place(if ever) I will go over to Czech and title my dogs ZVV. Alex and I will be going in the Spring for his ZM, ZVV1. Rocky's ZVV3 will come after Nationals. It would be easier to do it here though.
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#53612 - 07/29/2002 11:15 PM |
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Somebody with some contacts in Europe need to get something started here in the US.
All the hype about how the Czech dogs are this and other GSD's are that,they will all become the same. Happened to other breed, sad thing too.
If you want to keep a specific trait in a dog shouldn't you not change what created that special trait.
I hope someone can continue here in the US what was created in Europe.
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Re: Competition Level Czech Dogs
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#53613 - 07/29/2002 11:19 PM |
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Ya know, you just might have something here. I have nothing else to do(sometimes I crack myself up). I think there might be some room on my plate yet.
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#53614 - 07/29/2002 11:19 PM |
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So far as tourism goes the Czech republic is cheap...
Yes, I see others points as well, on the losing certain traits, but there will always be breeders carrying that torch.
Not all GSD breeders do HGH herding, and some lines would probably suck at it now, but if that is what you are looking for there are breeders that are still striving for that perfect herding dog.
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#53615 - 07/30/2002 12:13 AM |
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Maby i'm nieve here, but even if you can't get the titles, what is to prevent breeders and owners from training with the checz system. Todd, you obviously do since you go over there to title your dogs. Even without the titles wouldn't that keep the desired traits of the checz(spelling)dogs.
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