Bobby wrote 09/20/2002 05:37 PM
Re: STORMFRONTS BRAWNSON?
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If a police dog does not throw fight drive - then where are people who want to breed police dogs to look? I have seen a few Bronson sons and none have had fight drive. I won't talk about the existance or non-existance of fight drive. Those who says that it does not exist have not been training dogs long enough. This thread is about the dog that won the police dog championships - not the dog that won the Schutzhund Championships.
The OFA is not perfect but it is the best that we have to determine the quality of a dogs hips. Until we have a better system this is all we can go by. Certainly OFA fair is not a hip rating that should be taken seriously for a stud dog.
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Re: STORMFRONTS BRAWNSON?
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**The dog's ZW score of 98 is posted on his page**
John,
His ZW has gone up to 102, probably because Loc's Faolan vom Enckhausen, her hips are "noch" with ZW of 113.
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Re: STORMFRONTS BRAWNSON?
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Originally posted by Crabtree:
it sure is easy to bash a breeder or certain K-9 . Especially when the one getting bashed isn't aware of the bashing. ahhhh but Mike does know, he just refuses to stoop to the level of a "Brawnson Basher" as he termed it in our last discussion.
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Re: STORMFRONTS BRAWNSON?
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Originally posted by Bobby:
this out. I do not know about anyone else but I think a dog that is advertised as a stud dog should have good hips, not barely passable hips. In Germany this dog would not be bred OFA Fair is NOT barley passing and this dog would be bred in Germany. What do you think NZ is? It certainly isn't equal to OFA Good. In fact some say NZ is a step down from OFA Fair. Many dogs, studs and bitches,in Germany are bred with the NZ rating.
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Re: STORMFRONTS BRAWNSON?
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Brawnson, nice dog. Brawnson's progeny, some nice dogs, none I've seen in person, but that means VERY LITTLE. Just like most other people's opinions here. . .
Mike, you are excluded.
The ZW is a concern to me though, I don't know if I would breed a dog with a number that high. If that number is correct.
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#54603 - 09/20/2002 08:46 PM |
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Originally posted by VanCamp:
but that means VERY LITTLE. Just like most other people's opinions here. . .
Likewise, Vancamp, likewise.
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#54604 - 09/20/2002 09:51 PM |
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Originally posted by Bobby:
If a police dog does not throw fight drive - then where are people who want to breed police dogs to look? I have seen a few Bronson sons and none have had fight drive. I won't talk about the existance or non-existance of fight drive. Those who says that it does not exist have not been training dogs long enough. This thread is about the dog that won the police dog championships - not the dog that won the Schutzhund Championships.
The OFA is not perfect but it is the best that we have to determine the quality of a dogs hips. Until we have a better system this is all we can go by. Certainly OFA fair is not a hip rating that should be taken seriously for a stud dog. I am not sure that because you have not seen any fight drive, it is not in the pups. Most decoys are not skilled enough to bring out this drive (what ever you want to call it) in a dog, and most do not want to bring it out. It is not fair to say a stud dog in this country is not good, if one has only viewed a "few" of a dog's offspring. Anyone that thinks this, has not been around dogs long enough. The old saying goes that a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. This applies to the dog world.
OFA while I agree is all we have anyone that thinks that this is a make it or break it deal, needs to re-look the OFA over. They have given dogs tha have bad hips good ratings and the other way around, so that is a joke. While it is part of the picture don't foolyourself.
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Bottom line is that any dog that wins any kind of championship is probably going to be bred BECAUSE he won a championship.(and probably too much) Some people, IMO, think they can 'buy' success by getting puppies from parents that win competitions. :rolleyes:
You have to look at the dog, the pedigree, the temperament and health of the dogs in the pedigree as well, not just the scores and the pigment. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> I have always been kind of an 'outcast' when it comes to choosing breeding partners for my females because I don't buy into that 'let's breed to the National champion' stuff. Every once in a great while a really breed worthy dog wins a championship but I can count them on one hand.
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Originally posted by VanCamp:
Brawnson, nice dog. Brawnson's progeny, some nice dogs, none I've seen in person, but that means VERY LITTLE. Just like most other people's opinions here. . .
Mike, you are excluded.
The ZW is a concern to me though, I don't know if I would breed a dog with a number that high. If that number is correct. wow, I get a pass from the Kampster?! 
I was expecting to get a ribbing at least. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
and OFA fair doesn't really concern me, as I've got 2 bitches out of an OFA Fair bitch. One is excellent and the other is expected to be as well. Sometimes dogs produce better than themselves, then again sometimes they produce crap. We'll know soon as I'm going to have Kane's hips prelim'd this fall (he'll be approx 1yr when we do it).
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Originally posted by Cindy Easton:
You have to look at the dog, the pedigree, the temperament and health of the dogs in the pedigree as well, not just the scores and the pigment. I have always been kind of an 'outcast' when it comes to choosing breeding partners for my females because I don't buy into that 'let's breed to the National champion' stuff. Every once in a great while a really breed worthy dog wins a championship but I can count them on one hand. I totally agree, so you're not alone, I look at the same as well. I'm extemely picky about lines and who gets mixed with what. I do my research, and I think I pick out good mixes pretty decently. But then again, I've got a support network (or crutch if you wanna call it that) of experienced GSD breeders to fall back on if I get in over my head or want a second opinion.
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