I'm still looking for one that is so profoundly ugly the show dog people will turn to stone when they look at it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> .
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Jenn Kavanaugh Webboard User Reg: 01-05-2004
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Jim Kornelussen, I'm always impressed by anyone who had the time to really raise and train a pup for Schutzhund. Obedience, Tracking AND the protection work. Add to that kids, a wife and a job, I don't know how anyone does it.
I do agility and have to really on get some basic obedience on the dog initially, go to weekly classes (forever) but they are only about an hour, and then brief training (not really even 5 min) in my yard a few time a week.
Those of you are that are doing well in Schutzhund Training, how many hours a week would you say the initial training as well as ongoing takes a day/week/month? And how patient are your family members with all the work?
Funny I knew one guy who said he wanted a Schutzhund trained dog but once he started found the tracking wasn't as much fun at the protection work so stopped it while still saying his goal was a Schutzhund dog. Is it common for this type of handler to crop up in the sport?
Intelligent dogs rarely want to please people whom they do not respect --- W.R. Koehler
Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003
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Jenn,
Folks dropping out due to the time commitment that tracking requires is fairly common - it's probably the number one reason that new people fail to title a dog ( provided the new person has a good club to train with and good decoys ).
Hours spent bringing a puppy to the level needed to title at a SchH I?
Depends on the maturity level of the puppy/ young dog.
This is a general schedule for my dogs after six months of age:
Tracking: Three to four hours a week, including travel to tracking sites, if needed.
Obedience: Three hours a week.
Protection: 15 mins. a week, progressing to maybe an hour and a half weekly once they're getting close to trialing.
Other people will no doubt have different time totals - it depends on the type of training that you're doing, the trainer, and of course the dog itself.
i would be the wrong person to field many of these questions. im still trying to find a pup. you are right to respect many of these guys. the dedication and skill level many of them have is very humbling to me. if i were to become half as skilled i would consider myself a success. don't belittle what you are doing either i've seen a few agility trials (on tv mostly) the speed at which these dogs perform and the trainig involved should also be respected.
as for the guy who grew tired of tracking i guess i can understand that it could bore some. as for me i find it fascinating that a dog follows this invisible line that you and i couldn't begin to follow. i would imagine that laying track and tracking during adverse conditions may take some of the fun out of it but imagine the rush of following an unknown track where you are relying on the dog and haven't got a clue where it leads. imagine the feeling one gets when you come to the end of that track with all articles found and the dog performed flawlessly.
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This is what I shoot for, but certainly this changes almost daily. LOL (except for the tracking part, I always track because I love it.)
I track 6 days a week, every morining for around an hour. Gets my exercise out of the way for the day. LOL
I do obedience daily for around 10-15 minutes and twice a week for an hour or so, mixed with play sessions.
Protection varies, but that is always my main goal so with my wife's PP dog we do scenario training once a week and 10-15 minute basics two or three times a week. That's about the same for my young female.
My pup I'll work a few minutes a day, or every other day, working on griping and drive building.
This time is divided between three dogs right now, so it may seem like a lot, but it can be done.
The dogs get nearly 2 hours of my day, almost every day. This includes an exercise session for my adult every day.
This does not include time just hanging out with the dogs and the family together.
You have to be -F-ing dog CRAZY to do this shiznit.
Around 2h is what i do too (but i usualy have lot of free time). Around half an hour to get to training field down the hill with some heeling with older dog and some sits "out of the blue" for both. On the field some obediance with older one, play, play with younger (some obediance that too). Than they watch while i get bitten and draged around the field (older mutt hidden in deep grass <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> and young gsd barking her loungs out). She gets maybe 2 bites on the undersleeve of jacket and some "guarding" of the pray. LOL mutt is _not_ interasted in manwork. Than uphill, me dead and them wanting more...
Today was raining and i found myself standing at the door and throwing ball in the yard again and again <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> . Good dogs!
Jenn Kavanaugh Webboard User Reg: 01-05-2004
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Well, the time estimates from everyone are about what I expected, ALOT! You all are amazing with your dedication (and confirms I won't be able to fit all that into my current schedule).
I just can't believe how organized people can be to be able to do 2 hours a day (approx) AND have some time left for spouse and human children!
Maybe I'm just WAY more disorganized than I was hoping I am. That's a bit depressing <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
But at least the agility is working out well! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Intelligent dogs rarely want to please people whom they do not respect --- W.R. Koehler
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